@steve_v . . . Thanks for that excellent assessment. I do hope that SOMEONE will step up to provide an XLibre option for Devuan so that I can avoid Wayland for the remainder of my days. Sadly, the task is way above my pay grade . . .

@yurimodin . . . You are a little late to the party but at least you finally figured it out! systemd is a ball and chain of servitude and blind obedience . . .

@greenjeans . . . Your wish has been granted.

A very personal opinion . . . A wiki is useless without a viable distro. We need boots on the ground to deal with the cluster**** that Debian keeps throwing at us not a fugly, head-tripping wiki. I took care of the first wiki attempt so have some experience. A wiki is close to outdated by the time it is finally written so pretty much a waste of resources. The wiki information is also based on information that is available elsewhere so seems like a duplication of effort for no real gain as it will be outdated before the ink dries. And AI has absolutely nothing to do with Devuan and would be totally OT on a Devuan wiki even though it is tolerated on the forum in moderation.

@chomwitt . . . a "rant" is a verbose tirade (with which I believe you are quite familiar).

After I update or (rarely) reboot, first thing I do is take a quick look a xsession-errors then delete it.

@zapper . . . IIUC . . . that is surely not a given . . . Client Side Decorations locks in the look and feel of the desktop. A "nocsd" package has allowed us to do that for years. They are just tightening the noose . . .

That seems to be one of the best refuges available but since I am not an active git user these days, I have no personal experience. As to moving off our current git . . . low priority because it still works . . .

@greenjeans . . . Let's see where things go in the coming years. Currently things seem to be working through Excalibur and I will be on Chimaera until it is EOL. My personal trajectory . . . by the time I work my way through Daedalus and Excalibur I will be getting very close to 90! Strangely, I find comfort in that thought . . .

Also remember that Devuan has always been Debian without systemd. So a radical change to other applications like the DE would require a major shift in standing policy and that would require extensive discussion and feedback.

There is hope! A little birdie told me that Xfce may be on the chopping block because of the UI and other changes . . .

I'm not there yet - still on Chimaera - but would like to know if it Is it possible to run Librewolf and firefox at the same time? I sort of remember trying it once and it wasn't possible . . . Thanks.

I still use a classic roller-ball mouse! Old habits die hard . . .