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Since a few weeks AVMultimedia also runs on the HDMI sticks from Intel. I tested the two models STK1AW32SC (2GB RAM, 32 GB eMMC, approx. 150 USD) and STK2M364CC (4 GB RAM, 64 GB eMMC, approx. 300 USD) extensively.
The video takes about 3 minutes, the HDMI stick must be empty (if necessary initialize with 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=64M count=10').
The whole desktop will be played on the internal disk. Please note that due to the relatively "weak" performance of the eMMC disk, the installation takes about 1 minute.
After the installation the USB stick must be removed. Then it may be necessary to activate the correct partition in the BIOS (F2) so that AVMultimedia boots directly from eMMC.
The smaller stick is very suitable for FullHD, 4K for playback also works. With the bigger stick you can play 4K videos (if you use 'mpv --hwdec=vaapi --vo=vaapi file').
If you have any questions, please feel free to post them here.
Link to the video: https://youtu.be/zYiruIEU7R4
There again is another new release. I added some new fonts (noto), included youtube-dl for command line download of videos, added a fix (see /systemd) for monitors not to go automaticially to dpms off (with older mohandlingnitors, you don't get it back) and added english kodi defaults if AVMultimedia is started in English.handlinghandlinghandling
Again, some more days of hard testing and adjusting. The intel compute stick STK1AW32SC had two issues: Sleeping display did came up with a black screen and mouse pointer (no chance to get back desktop). There is now a background script (xorgreset.pl) that sends an xrandr command to get the screen back (needs up to 30 seconds). The sound card on STK1AW32SC had the problem that from time to time after booting sound was not available. I adjusted pulseaudio to setup now corectly. And yes, display only works with uxa flag in xorg.conf (make the whole thing a bit slower). Working with 4K is not fully recommended (FullHD is putted to the stick by default).
Over the weekend, I tested too STK2M364CC (intel m3 with 4 GB RAM). Yes, I know price is nearly twice, but if you want full 4K, the 2G variant is (at least at current stage) not fully recommended. Worked nearly out of the box, the only thing I had to add was that sound is always going for 48000k (see /etc/pulse/daemon.conf).
During testing it wideley I saw that Firefox is slow playing viedoes. I first wanted to add falkon (which was faster), but realized that there must be some problems (I assume it is dbus, but not shure). Then I checked for Iridium. Beside of the fact that it does need more space on the iso, it is quite perfect. It is a fork of Chromium (removal of sending tracking infos to the "Chief"). Now, watching videos is quite fast. Especially on the "chiefs" channel. And yes if you don't like the "chief", go via duckduckgo, then the "chief" should not be up to you.
Have a nice time.
There is another new release. Due to a bug in gtk, the menus did not any longer work on tochscreens, see "ugly" bug here:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/945
There you also will find possible solutions to avoid it. In one sentence said: In mate use package 'mate-applet-brisk-menu' or then go to budgie-desktop.
I too added all infos to put AVMultimedia on a intel compute stick, see FAQs:
http://archivista.ch/cms/en/support-2/avmultimedia-2/
Enjoy! Feedbacks always welcome.
There is another good new release of AVMultimedia, it know works on intel compute sticks (2gb version), has kernel 5.3.x (new grapic devices), bluetooth support (finally) and does boot up more nicely. Version is 2019/X, you can donload it from:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/archivista/files/
https://osdn.net/projects/avmultimedia/
Special note: The widely tested intel compute stick is BOXSTK1AW32SC and yes, you don't need power supply, it just runs on a usb port (even playback of 4k videos). If you are interest in (and do live in southern part of germany, eastern part of austria or switzerland, there will be a presentation (in german) tommorrow at linuxday.at, more information see here:
There is another new release, better support for english language and keyboard (english keyboard is choosen if english languages is choosen at the frist screen). Later change for any other language via keyboard tool in panel (bottom right).
I had to publish a new release due to a small bug in update process (squashfs file lib.os was not updated). Now this is fixed. Enjoy!
If you want to see the difference, just start AVMultimedia without the flag 'superlow', then you get the old method to start it (completely in RAM).
I changed the mode to start it completely in memory. Instead of 'superlow' (wich does not any longer exist), you just can add 'memonly' to start it completely in RAM (memory). Thies behaviour is easier for those who start without uefi, just add the flag to the desired starting mode, ie 'ehd memonly' (does mean starting in English with harddisk and competley in memroy).
AVMultimedia is now even faster! Around 10 seconds to start the full desktop (about 6 GB of uncompressed software ready to use). So, why is it made? Just use LZ4 compression all around and you will get very good results (even starting of apps is normally faster then with full RAM mode). Have a look here:
As it now boots much faster, I had to recut the video 'hello world to linux' (version 2):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh4CesttE94
If you want to see the difference, just start AVMultimedia without the flag 'superlow', then you get the old method to start it (completely in RAM). Acutally only the very base system fits in RAM, the rest comes directly from iso/stock, but again with this very fast LZ4 uncompression. And yes, ISO are around 15 to 20 percent bigger, but YES, AVMultimedia now works on Computers with just about 1 GB of RAM. Enjoy!
I would like to thank again all those who have helped to improve AVMultimedia. I meant that the current status is very impressive. All items reported at the first announcement (and many more) have been fixed.
Now that everything is going the way I want it to, I've made a few measurements. In about 18 seconds AVMultimedia started virtualized (last week it was a good 30 seconds). With the start of AVMultimedia and LibreOffice it takes about 24 seconds.
So this afternoon I compared it with some Linux distributions (aside of AVMultimeida there is to my knowledge no other Devuan Beowulf LiveCD with integrated LibreOffice). Therefore I took Debian, Knoppix and Ubuntu in the current desktop version and did the tests. The result is a 4 minutes long video, which you can find here:
P.S: This video is also about SystemD. Actually it should start faster with SystemD, right? Sorry, just a joke! But take a look for yourself.
Another new release, now booting is faster. To setup the whole system (more then 6 gb software) I actually only need between 15 and 35 secunds.
Another new release was published. If you have any wishes, post t here.
Just released a new version with a (hopefully) better design:
http://archivista.ch/cms/wp-content/upl … da_new.png
Enjoy!
avbox wrote:VirtualBox I could not test, I did not find the swith to enable UEFI (if someone can test or post the way to activate uefi), that would be helpfully.
Hi avbox,
Hopefully this will help...
1. When you open VirtualBox, click (to highlight) the OS that you want to run in VirtualBox.
2. Click Settings
3. When the Settings window opens, click System in the side bar.
4. In the Motherboard tab, put a check mark next to "Enable EFI (special OSs only).
5. Click Okay.
6. The Settings window will close, and you can then click the Start button to start the OS in EFI mode in VirtualBox.
Even on my version I did not find a 'Motherboard' tab, I foundet it. Unfortunatelly with the release I made yesterday it did not work. The reason was/is that with efi you need a special virtualbox graphic driver from kernel. Now it is addd and it works. Just a side node, the virtualbox grafik driver is only in kernel 5.2.x in mainline, in 4.9.x you find it in the staging area. At the same time I added lz4 compression for kernel and initrd (but for me it does not make very big difference even it is a bit faster at first stage of booting).
I once would like to add here, that it works perfect two with 2 gb of ram (I only could test it virtually because I don't have any machines with less then 4 gb ram).
I again want to say thank you for all the input you gave. I hope that not only the devuan community sees that with devuan it can be very fast and easy. If soneone wants to put it in the derivatives list -- this is up to you.
And yes, any wishes (if it is possible for me) will be very welcome.
fsmithred wrote:I tried the avmultimini.iso. Thanks for putting that up. Here are some notes you might find useful.
I can get it to boot in qemu (with kvm) in legacy bios mode with 'eno' boot code. If I try uefi mode, it hangs on the archivista splash screen. The vertical size of the window increases to 2-3 times normal height, and I have to resize the window to see the bottom of the screen. After a few minutes of this, the cpu starts to get hot.
I recommend to use LEGACY bios so far for virtualization test. The screen resolution problem I too have with the bios file OVMF.fd. I will sooner or later take care about it. But one question with which other Linux does it work?
fsmithred wrote:I can't get it to boot in virtualbox. Tried uefi and legacy bios.
All over the weekend I searched for the bug about starting it in uefi mode with kvm/qemu. Fact was, with the older release (kernel 4.19.x) it worked, while with the kernel 5.2.x it did not work. Aflter a long search and some hundreds of restarts I found out it just was a kernel module that I had to disable: CONFIG_X86_SYSFB. If someone is interested in the problem, see here https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/57479
VirtualBox I could not test, I did not find the swith to enable UEFI (if someone can test or post the way to activate uefi), that would be helpfully.
II can get it to boot in qemu (with kvm) in legacy bios mode with 'eno' boot code. If I try uefi mode, it hangs on the archivista splash screen. The vertical size of the window increases to 2-3 times normal height, and I have to resize the window to see the bottom of the screen. After a few minutes of this, the cpu starts to get hot.
I can't get it to boot in virtualbox. Tried uefi and legacy bios.
Due to the fact that we don't support VirtualBox (support for KVM is no problem, just use aqemu for a graphical frontend), I checked it this morning on a freshly installed siduction client. It works without any problems:
http://archivista.ch/cms/wp-content/upl … imedia.jpg
But I would like to add the following points for anybody who is trying it in a virtualized mode.
First, AVMultimedia.iso has a very new 5.2.x kernel, so if you don't have a newer kernel, I would recommend to use at least KVM. Alternatively you can use avmultimedia_old.iso (this has an older 4.19 kernel).
Second, at this stage I recommmend to use LEGACY bios. And take in mind, that even AVMultimedia is installed in uefi mode on a empty disk (if you profide one), yu can start it with LEGACY mode from ISO file.
fsmithred wrote:Changing the keyboard layout presented some problems. First I tried 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration'. I wanted to log out and in again to get it to take effect, but there's no way to log out of the desktop. I tried 'init 1' and nothing happened. I finally tried alt-sysrq-k and was able to restart the desktop. Keyboard was still German. This was especially frustrating for me because it made it impossible to do some things in the terminal.
Then I went into the desktop settings and found the keyboard layout settings. The drop-down menu for countries goes off-screen, and I can't scroll down.
While just starting for a keyboard tool, I found out, you can set it via console with setxkbmap fr (where fr stand as example, could too be it or us). Unfortunatelly I does not change the keyboard in Control center.
The keyboard tool is now available. After downloading the current release I will find a new icon in the panel at right (just left of the icon to shutdown the machine). It does list all keyboards that are in the system available. There would be a hundred of variants (so I only included Swiss French & Swiss Italien). If you see some variants that ure used very common, just let me know.
The keyboard definitin needs to be saved if you want it to have preconfigured through AVMultimedia. You can do this under menu System, submenu AVMultimedia & Parameters. There choose 'Save Desktop'.
Please let me know if it does work. If so, I can start having a look for the virtualization "problems". If you (or someone else) has any whishes, please let me know.
Changing the keyboard layout presented some problems. First I tried 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration'. I wanted to log out and in again to get it to take effect, but there's no way to log out of the desktop. I tried 'init 1' and nothing happened. I finally tried alt-sysrq-k and was able to restart the desktop. Keyboard was still German. This was especially frustrating for me because it made it impossible to do some things in the terminal.
Then I went into the desktop settings and found the keyboard layout settings. The drop-down menu for countries goes off-screen, and I can't scroll down.
While just starting for a keyboard tool, I found out, you can set it via console with setxkbmap fr (where fr stand as example, could too be it or us). Unfortunatelly I does not change the keyboard in Control center.
I tried the avmultimini.iso. Thanks for putting that up. Here are some notes you might find useful.
I can get it to boot in qemu (with kvm) in legacy bios mode with 'eno' boot code. If I try uefi mode, it hangs on the archivista splash screen. The vertical size of the window increases to 2-3 times normal height, and I have to resize the window to see the bottom of the screen. After a few minutes of this, the cpu starts to get hot.
I recommend to use LEGACY bios so far for virtualization test. The screen resolution problem I too have with the bios file OVMF.fd. I will sooner or later take care about it. But one question with which other Linux does it work?
I can't get it to boot in virtualbox. Tried uefi and legacy bios.
I just need to install a computer where virtualbox does run, but I will check it out. Thank's for the hint.
The language was English except for kodi, which came up in German.
Yes, this is true. The project started in Switzerland, and so far I did not find out how to change the language outside of Kodi. But you can change to English and from then it belongs to the choosen language (all settings are stored in /home/archivista/data/kodi).
Changing the keyboard layout presented some problems. First I tried 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration'. I wanted to log out and in again to get it to take effect, but there's no way to log out of the desktop. I tried 'init 1' and nothing happened. I finally tried alt-sysrq-k and was able to restart the desktop. Keyboard was still German. This was especially frustrating for me because it made it impossible to do some things in the terminal.
Then I went into the desktop settings and found the keyboard layout settings. The drop-down menu for countries goes off-screen, and I can't scroll down.
Currently, you really have to to switch language in Control center. All other ways don't work so far.
You can use the arrow keys to switch to the desired language. In older release of Mate, there was a list and it was much easier to choose. I think about a keyboard tool, just give me some time.
I did not have any problems with the display orientation. The buttons on the panel work and are very cool. That's the first time I've ever been able to rotate the screen. (I don't need it, but I have tried it out of curiosity. Nice to see it finally work.)
It was also nice to see the pulseaudio volume control work. I haven't had good luck with that in the past.
Yes, pulseaudio is some way a bit tricky, but much better to choose devices (i.e. HDMI or internal card with headphones).
Getting it to run in virtualbox or qemu is probably not essential to using it, but a lot of people like to test new isos in a virtual environment, for convenience.
I too check all ISOs first it in a KVM guest, this is true. At this stage just disable UEFI and you are fine. So better support of VMs would be fine.
But I think, choosing the keyboard in an easy way is more important, so if you agree I first will focus an this.
First an apology for not seeing this page earlier. My bad. If I had been more diligent you wouldn't have been bothered with having to post the above response. But probably a good idea to have it here so others won't have to go on the hunt to find it.
Anyway . . . your request was discussed today and our biggest concern was for possible trademark infringement for example:
1. Microsoft Windows logo on the panel applications menu
2. Programs in the LibreOffice suite are rebranded using the trademarked logos of Microsoft Office
3. Icons used throughout the desktop are largely pulled straight out of Windows 10.
We understand why this approach would help to transition newcomers to Linux but hope you understand why that would be a showstopper for us. Perhaps you would reconsider that decision.
I would like to answer the following:
a) I'm not a legal expert and I don't know if you are one?
b) Yes, there was some similarity to Windows icons of this well know Company. Just to be clear, in nearly every icon theme you will find some icons that look like the ones used in other OS. As I understand it, as long as you respekt trademark, use is not a problem (there was once a dark age, where there was a fight if Microsoft can use the trash icon that Apple claimed and originally camed from Xerox, if I remember right). The icons AVMultimedia used are hosted on github.com (which belongs to Microsoft). How can it not be legally when even the hosting company Microsoft does not complain about it? You even just find a big article about installing it under Linux, see https://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cb- … 55013.html (I don't think this is a non commercial site). Also there is a longer discussion about it (from year 2000) under https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index. … 92408.html. When the choose of the icon was made, I did check all this seriously and I camed to the conclusion that at least the use for a non commercial project is ok (even there you find use in a commercial sense). Again, I'm not a legal expert, but use was not/never done in a manner you write here.
Examples: NO, i did not use the Microsoft Windows logo anywhere (this is completely wrong!). A similarity to a icon of another OS is NOT using the Microsoft Windows logo/tradmark (as long as I understand it). Same with LibreOffice, the Brand MicrosoftOffice was never used. In the manner you write it. One could get the impression that AVMultimedia wanted to make people think there is Microsoft Windows or MicrosoftOffice (Microsoft Windows, MicrosoftOffice are trademarked by Microsoft), but this is/was not/never the case. You even write the Icons are largely pulled straight out of (Microsoft) Windows 10. I checked the work again (icon set) and I did not had any signs, that the icons were copied from Microsoft Windows (see too at mate-look.org). And I also have to note here, AVMultimedia never used a Microsoft Windows theme (since beginning it is Blue-Submarine and nothing else).
Nevertheless I changed it and I would like to add the reasons too:
1) The new icon theme is fully svg based (so modifications are very easy), see https://github.com/bikass/korla
2) As I wrote in FAQs under http://archivista.ch/cms/en/support-2/avmultimedia-2/, AVMultimedia started as a pure 100% non commercial project. As it is too written in the FAQs, now the development is paid by my company because it is too much work (and yes, our document managment customers will get it sooner or later). The legal use in that sense could be a problem (especially if even people on Devuan forum wrongly write here AVMultimedia would be make use of Microsoft Windows Logos, what again never was the case). In business rules it is not only important how you use it, it is also important in what manner it is recognised by normal users.
3) If it is not ok for the Devuan community, I have no problems to change it. I would like to live in freedom.
Other than that there were reports of incorrect screen orientation and keyboard issues and a wishlist item to be able to boot it in a VM. Those are not a big concern for us as we realize it is part of a process in which the Devuan community can participate.
As mentioned above, I am unable to explore myself because my systems are 32 bit so this post is a collation of others' comments.
Frankly spoken it would be fine to post it in a way it is reproducable for me. But let me add here, that correct changing of keyboard is too described in the FAQs and about correct screen orientation, I think this is more a user case because you find in bottom right two icons to switch from landscape to portrait screen mode. I see that the larger amount of screens you can't rotate, but on tablets it is a must. If it is something different, please report so I could take care.
Last point: Booting it in a VM. Well, I'm a bit confused. All development is done virtually in KVM (it runs all the time virtually). All you need is to include iso to start, where is the problem? And yes, you need for the full version 4 gb of RAM, but this is too written in the FAQs (and earlier in this thrad). If you only have 2 GB, just use avmultimini.iso. But if soneone has troubles with running it in VMs, again it would be helpfully to post it here. And yes, apart of posting it here, there is a support forum http://help.archivista.ch/forum (there you could too post it).
So I'm ready for any feedbacks.
avbox wrote:Another question: What else is needed to become an "official" devuan derivates (does mean to be included to the page 'Devuan Derivates)?
Devs will have an opportunity to discuss the next time we get together. I cannot test because I work in a 32 bit environment. Also note that there is active discussion on this forum about other derivatives that have never even asked to be on the derivatives list.
I am curious why you chose to build AVMultimedia on Devuan. You have not discussed Devuan on this thread or shown an interest to participate elsewhere on this forum so I'm sensing a bit of a disconnect. Perhaps you can help us to better understand.
I will try to explain it. Since 1998 I have a small(er) company which does produce document management systems (so called Archivista). In 2005 we switched from Windows to Linux and branded the product ArchivistaBox. At that stage the system was built with t2-project-org. As everything in t2 is built from source, it was too much work, so we switched around 2010/11 to Debian (you still will find under derivates the ArchivistaBox). 2017 I ran into a problem with a customer that needed hplip with classical init system; unfortunately it did not work with debian. So I tried it with Devuan and it worked. Since then I work with Devuan. This is all, but see the FAQs about AVMultimeida there I try to explain it too:
http://archivista.ch/cms/en/support-2/avmultimedia-2/
As I told you my company is a small(er) and it is a lot of work to fullfll all things (and yes I have family and children, and they too need time). I'm now far over 50 and at this age I don't want waste time about why one should choose system x or y. But I think that (linux) systems should be as easy as possible. I like Devuan because the fact that not every part is done completely new. In this manner it makes things as easy as possible.
In other parts, I think there is more work needed. My impression here is that most people here work since decades with linux what I like. It is good when Devuan is the Linux for linux veterans, but one should keep in mind that reaching the younger generation is too important.
Asking to add AVMultimedia is not so important. I just thought that it would be a benefit and that the Devuan team likes when someone is doing stuff with Devuan. Sure I did not bring in so far time or money to the project. The only reason is, my budget (on time and money) is rather small. But I can add here, I invested in past (on time and money) on several projects.
Due to my poor English and the fact that I rather like to travel by bike or even by foot (or then by train, nearly no airplane), yes you will not find my on every linux conferences around the world. I just did find out that the Devuan team has a booth at next linuxday.at (19th of October). I will be there too (may be there is time to get in contact). Just to note, I will give a talk about AVMultimedia:
https://www.linuxday.at/avmultimedia-18 … -dem-start
My wish about Devuan and AVMultimedia would be that a modern linux desktop can be used, for the whole family (even with no linux skills), at school and in business cases. Such a system must be much more easier than it is today.
My wish is not to make the system just for me easy, we need an easy system for all the people (most of them are still using not LInux and even not Devuan). Just today my 9 year daughter told me that they needed nearly the whole hour to get logged in and registred at windows computers at school. I think this problem would not exist on Devuan. But when I try to explain people who easy it could be with linux they mostly claim about installation (even with Devuan). I'm ready to share my experience with you and yes, let us make life more easier with Devuan.
Note: Not much love for appimage around here . . .
So, I made a version without all AppImage-Stuff, the iso avmultimini.iso is much smaller and you can yourself add the packages through synaptic or apt-get install (i.e. gimp 2.x). Just take care to save the installed packages with the tool 'parameters' (you find it under menu system and then sub menu 'Avmultimedia'). Enjoy!
Another question: What else is needed to become an "official" devuan derivates (does mean to be included to the page 'Devuan Derivates)?
AVMultimedia: new version to setup xorg server
Just uploaded new iso files. Update gives you possiblity to start fbdev xorg.conf device in case the automatic recognition does not working well.
After it you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then save for next booting over sub menu 'System' and there 'Parameters'. There choose the option 'Save xorg file'. From that point on while starting AVMultimedia, this specific xorg.conf file will be used.
Well, let's say you are a developper with small capacities. You would like to give your users a chance that it runs on a good number of different linux systems. Why should you not use AppImage here? I see that it does need much more space but else?
From point of the users, what is wrong when I can uses i.e. Gimp 2.10 years bevore it is available in the final stable branches?
I as the maintainer of AVMultimedia even can offer a release with 2 GB RAM (as I did it yesterday) because I don't include all the more optonal programs that are done with AppImage. And just to clarify this out, this optional Apps are already presented uncompressed so they run speedy.
Ok, I don't love them too, because they need more space then a traditional package but I don't love too all this packages that are becoming bigger and bigger in every release. The difference from Devuan ASCII to Beowulf on AVMultimedia is arround 800 MByte (6.5 GB to 5.7 which is a plus of 13 percent) more needed space with the same amount of packages.
And yes I see that sometimes there are 100 mb of icons in apps but I also see that noebody takes care that on a distribution all icons look pretty cool.
Actually I see about 450 mb of firmware, yes I don't like it. But I too see: a) an open source graphic driver from amd with a firmware blob or b) a closed driver from another manufactor. I don't like a) but b) is even more worse. In my private and business environment nearly all use Windows or Mac Without all this mltimedia stuff no chance that they even have a look at it.
My wish is not to use all over AppImage, but sometimes I don't see any alternatives. And yes, if someone sees better alternatives, then I'm ready to use them.
First of all, I just published an iso (running it again with 2 gb). So if you have 8 GB RAM, that cannot be the problem. But your stick should be 4GB.
Please start once without harddisk and network. So about needed RAM I cann tell you:
What happens if AVMultimedia is started with less than 4 GB RAM?
If less than 3000 MB memory is available, some programs will not load: GIMP, Scratch3, Gcompris and Sozi. The lowest limit for use is 2 GB.
Why can't I start GIMP, Scratch3, Gcompris and/or Sozi?
Probably less than 3000 MB of main memory are available. In this case the above applications are not integrated. However, the first three can be downloaded manually as AppImage packages.
How do I start the different menu items when booting without UEFI?
Below eight codes are given: dhd dno dhda dhda dnoa ehd eno ehda enoa
The first letter corresponds to the language (d/e}, the following two letters are about whether the hard disk should be used (hd/no) and if an 'a' is listed at the end, this means that acpi_osi= is set.
So start your box i.e. eno or enoa