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#1 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Anyone know how to get doas working properly on devuan? » Today 16:16:16

bilhook wrote:

colon before user is interesting

doas.conf(5) wrote:
     identity     The username to match.  Groups may be specified by prepend-
                  ing a colon (':').  Numeric IDs are also accepted.

#2 Re: ARM Builds » Transgrading DeBIan -> DeVUan » Today 14:14:05

Observations so far:

Packages adding UIDs/GIDs being reïnstalled over this process sometimes get different numeric IDs then and some files (e.g. in /var/{lib,spool,...}) need to be corrected manually.  With packages having multiple different UIDs and GIDs (e.g. postfix), this can be a pain.

Better catch a detailed listing of all files, their IDs and modes before starting.

Transgrading systems that were installed from Debian12 (armel/armhf) images and immediately got transgraded, everything was smooth.  I think ...  o;-)

With a system that was older (Debian11/armel -> Debian12 -> Devuan5) I noticed SSH not working after the transgrade.

Guess why:

~$ ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*ssh
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 29  2018 /etc/rc2.d/S01ssh -> ../init.d/ssh
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 29  2018 /etc/rc3.d/S01ssh -> ../init.d/ssh
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 29  2018 /etc/rc4.d/S01ssh -> ../init.d/ssh
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 29  2018 /etc/rc5.d/S01ssh -> ../init.d/ssh

Later I found the same glitch on a Debian11/amd64 system (still to be transgraded).

Better check this before transgrading headless systems.

When systemd's NTP functionality is deinstalled on a system without RTC, the system time will be 1970-1-1 after the next reboot.  Maybe installing ntpsec or chrony before the 1st reboot is a nice idea?

Two Debian12 Pi4 and a Debian11 Thinkpad T510 are still in the queue to be transgraded.  For quite a while I already installed new systems (x86, amd64) directly as Devuan, but that T510 is left over.  For ARMIsh systems it is a restart with Devuan.

#3 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-08-31 10:02:47

nahkhiirmees wrote:

After removing those tags there will be only a retarded version of irc. Good luck finding any interesting discussion then.

Even in IRC users find ways to quote contents in a readable way, which btw still is possible here.

But sure I'd prefer to use a devuan.* hierarchy via NNTP, if all else fails maybe based on mailing lists gated to NNTP via Gmane?

#4 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-08-29 19:12:04

nahkhiirmees wrote:

Somehow i doubt that yeti was even born when i used Usenet news first time.

Sure you are allowed to doubt, but better do not bet on it!
But what does that add to the discussion?

#5 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-08-29 00:17:31

nahkhiirmees wrote:

Have been thinking lately:
20+ years ago there were something called Usenet.

The original Fediverse still exists.

nahkhiirmees wrote:

I think back in the day the over-quoting was not that big problem as it its now with these web-based message_boards.

You should only quote the parts you are answering to.  Generation clickycolour seems to have unlearned that.  I hear similar things from plain email.  Instead of keeping the messages of a conversation in a folder, some expect the whole message pingpong to be appended to the newest part.  Microsoftisms?

Well... at least I'm not overlooking the quote button.

SIGH!

#6 ARM Builds » Transgrading DeBIan -> DeVUan » 2024-08-26 05:09:53

yeti
Replies: 1

((( Quasi-reply to Index » ARM Builds » Updating kernel (Raspberry pi 2). )))

Still no kernel updates?

Phewww...

Long ago (ASCII days?) I transgraded some Cubietrucks (UBoot images) from Debian to Devuan and so Debian's kernel update automagism survived.

I repeated that some days ago for two Debian12/RasPi2 and one Debian12/RasPi1 and doing that with two Debian12/RasPi4 is on my to do list.  The dist-upgrade step of the migration included a kernel update, so I'm now ommmmmmptimistically awaiting the next regular kernel update.

—▷ https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation … o-daedalus

Redoing this on some Cubietrucks (and maybe BananaPi-R1) is on my to do list too, but I'm fighting a ™Dark Energy Infection™ in that list...  YKWIM...

Maybe we should look at Debian's RasPI image generator and fork it to generate Devuan images directly?  Or is someone ommmmmmptimistic enough to ask the [Debian Raspberry Pi Maintainers] to add Devuan directly?  I'm not ... *sigh!*

—▷ https://salsa.debian.org/raspi-team/image-specs

OTOH:  Does accidentally someone know why DeBIan's daily builds of RasPI images are stuck since 2024-03-30?  Or has the page changed to a different URL and that one contains newer builds?

—▷ https://raspi.debian.net/daily-images/

#7 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Anyone know how to get doas working properly on devuan? » 2024-08-17 19:37:00

My experiments on Devuan5 so far...

Two IMO relevant snippets from doas.conf(5):

It may be needed no not allow args for such wired to root commands:

     args [argument ...]
                  Arguments to command.  The command arguments provided by the
                  user need to match those specified.  The keyword args alone
                  means that command must be run without any arguments.

And I sometimes stumble over this one:

     The last matching rule determines the action taken.  If no rule matches,
     the action is denied.

I've a long compile job running so I tried to do this with a more harmless command.

~$ doas -L
~$ doas -L ## clear persistent passwords
~$ grep cmd /etc/doas.conf 
## permit|deny [options] identity [as target] [cmd command [args ...]]
permit nopass :sudo as root cmd date args
~$ doas id
doas (yeti@BEEP) password: (((ctrl-c))) 

~$ ## ok. that asked for a pasword
~$ doas date
Sat Aug 17 19:19:40 UTC 2024
~$ ## ok.   expected.   \o/
~$ doas date +%s
doas (yeti@BEEP) password:  (((ctrl-c)))

~$ ## ;-)  even better!  only allowed witout args.
~$ █

(((I hope I haven't screwed up that too much... the heat costs several IQ points...)))

#8 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-07-20 08:46:00

Prof Simon Holland
The strange tale of a.i. and Radar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egjZocX4BL8

Doubleplus scary.

#9 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan on Fediverse » 2024-07-04 06:35:56

Where can Devuan be found in the original fediverse?

If not done already, please let Gmane or Gwene forward the mailing lists to NNTP.

... and mention them e.g. here.

#10 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-30 19:41:18

Sabine Hossenfelder
AI passed the Turing Test -- And No One Noticed
https://piped.video/watch?v=GyNaH27lX90

- no comment -

#11 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-30 19:14:36

Do you watch the why files ?

Only when it is necessary for a reply.

Technology in the mainstream is usually lagging behind anything the 3 letter agencies already have.

War always has been the driving factor in development of technology.

The cost finally will be to lose humanity by either converging with technology to transhumans or by being replaced by AI.  This will solve no problems, as transhumans and/or "AI life" still will need to compete for resources and so I'm heavily convinced that only war will be the permanent survivor, just the players on the battlefield of life will get upgraded sometimes.

1. Hitchhiker 30: (6) "No," said the old man, "that's just perfectly normal paranoia.  Everyone in the Universe has that."

#12 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-30 06:55:54

thejuicemedia
Honest Government Ad | AI
https://piped.video/watch?v=TtVJ4JDM7eM

Still far too optimistic?

#13 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-29 00:49:29

Angela Collier
the malicious optimism of AI-first companies
https://piped.video/watch?v=dKmAg4S2KeE

#14 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-27 15:57:06

Sabine Hossenfelder
Superintelligent AI Will Try to Control Us, Geoffrey Hinton Warns
https://piped.video/watch?v=UcEyfQ1I8jg

#15 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-11 17:34:09

Apple⁽⁰⁾ is and always will be Apple Records for me.

————————————

0: Apple in the context of companies, commerce, ...

#16 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-11 16:36:14

Sabine Hossenfelder
AI Learned to Lie Deliberately (but it’s kinda funny)
https://piped.video/watch?v=BoAVyzzO1XE

#17 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-10 17:26:00

Alas, so far the whole world cannot stop one elderly dictator who wanted to play “soldiers”. Against this background, everything else simply does not matter.

To understand [Horror Sapiens] always follow the greed...

#18 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-04 15:47:01

AI still is like gambling...

Sabine Hossenfelder
AI’s Dirty Little Secret
https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=QO5plxqu_Yw

#19 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-02 16:52:53

It is on YT under the "Robert Miles AI Safety" channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ziuPUeewK0

Compare the URLs and you'll see why I did not mention it.  ;-)

But now for something not completely dfferent:

Some interesting/scary things can happen when ChatGPT plays with copies of itself.
And I bet we'll see commercial products based on such faster than this gets safe/stable.

Two Minute Papers
OpenAI’s ChatGPT: This is Science Fiction!
https://piped.video/watch?v=ewLMYLCWvcI

#20 Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-01 09:49:56

yeti
Replies: 35

Robert Miles AI Safety
AI Ruined My Year
https://piped.video/watch?v=2ziuPUeewK0

#21 Re: Off-topic » What do you think about electric cars? » 2024-03-06 10:27:17

I've no problem with the "electric" in general, but I'd have no power line near my parking space and using public charging stations just would increase the ankle bracelet function of these modern spy-phones on wheels.

The Y2014 model I currently have probably is the last one I can get without the now mandatory call home function on emergencies/crashes which I do not trust to only phone home then.  It even has only a classic radio instead of an android media centre!  And with only needing to see a gas station 4..5 times a year, a switch to something different just does not calculate for me.  Luckily!

May it last long and meanwhile: Public transport please improve!

Ok ... I'm pro electric, but I claim you just can't get such a thing without being permanently traced.

#22 Re: News & Announcements » Debian and 32-bit x86 » 2023-12-21 06:28:35

Camtaf wrote:

32bit systems are still supported by the BSDs & Haiku, so they don't need to be thrown out just yet......

Nope!

FreeBSD and OpenBSD already announced turning i386 into a 2nd class citizen too.

And with all this steam lining for commerce, it'll be only a question of time until they declare ARM32bitters to trash too?

HaikuOS is a Do-Everything-As-Root-OS, so definitely not a wise choice except inside a really secure LAN.

NetBSD remains.

Camtaf wrote:

wink

I see no reason for a wink:-(

#23 Re: Off-topic » "A future for the i386 architecture" and other good(???) news » 2023-12-20 02:06:42

siva wrote:

Maybe devuan will try to support 32-bit long term.

I think that's too optimistic.
I want to be proven wrong.
I will not bet on this to happen.

#24 Re: Off-topic » "A future for the i386 architecture" and other good(???) news » 2023-12-19 09:51:17

Why turn them into trash?
I've Devuan on a Netbook.

FreeBSD and OpenBSD announced to treat 32bit PCs as 2nd class architectures too.
Great times for NetBSD... :-Þ

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