#devuan

05:44:30 <onefang> _ds_: That "alienware box has two video cards in... Intel and Nvidia" might be one of those horrid combined graphics chips. I have one of those.

06:40:35 <onefang> I gave my RAM gremlin a playground to distract it. Er I mean I dumped 105 GB of files into a RAM disk to see how that affected it when running other stuff. Only 36GB free now. Made things worse. lol

08:18:02 <gnarface> when people come by here having problems with those ill conceived dual-gpu laptops, the most important thing to tell them is to just stick around. we've collectively muddled through helping a number of them achieve success, but only the ones who didn't give up and eject first.

08:20:15 <gnarface> the important thing for them to understand is they can and do work with devaun, as long as some adjustments are made, but the adjustments aren't the same for every model so it bears some trial-and-error testing

12:46:25 <x3dre> My alienware lappy has two video cards one nvidia and the other intel. On starting up instead of getting a login screen via gdm3, the prompt appears for a cli prompt login. I don't know what to do next to a gui screen to start .. tia :)

12:47:23 <x3dre> Do I need some firmware that should have been installed as I chose to have non-free-firmware but something is amiss...

12:48:46 <fsmithred> x3dre, stick around. Someone will eventually help you figure it out.

12:49:24 <fsmithred> This was posted while you were not here...

12:49:33 <fsmithred> <gnarface> when people come by here having problems with those ill conceived dual-gpu laptops, the most important thing to tell them is to just stick around. we've collectively muddled through helping a number of them achieve success, but only the ones who didn't give up and eject first.

12:49:33 <fsmithred> <gnarface> the important thing for them to understand is they can and do work with devaun, as long as some adjustments are made, but the adjustments aren't the same for every model so it bears some trial-and-error testing

13:02:29 <gnarface> fsmithred: this is the one i already told, there was another one after then

13:03:06 <gnarface> x3dre: hang on i have a sources.list example for you

13:04:13 <onefang> Is that one of those Optimus graphics chips? I think that's what they where called. I have an ancient one, but it worked fine for me.

13:04:30 <gnarface> onefang: yea, it's a 930 so the nouveau drivers faceplant hard

13:04:52 <gnarface> x3dre: here, change your /etc/apt/sources.list to this, it will include everything: http://paste.debian.net/1315332/

13:05:38 <gnarface> if you just install all the nvidia packages, it might just start working with no other changes, but it's not a guarantee; other changes sometimes need to be made too

13:06:13 <gnarface> apt-get update && apt-cache search ^nvidia

13:06:21 <gnarface> apt-get update && apt-cache search nvidia

13:06:47 <gnarface> you might get a lot of bloat unless you use "apt-get --no-install-recommends ..."

13:07:05 <gnarface> but then, some like the bloat, you gotta make your own decisions

13:11:46 <onefang> I've lost so much weight this year that I'm underweight. I'd like some of my own bloat back. lol

13:15:57 <gnarface> oh, crap, i just remembered x3dre, warning, if you're on kernel 6.1.0-18-amd64 you might have to downgrade to 6.1.0-17-amd64 for it to work, too

13:16:44 <gnarface> i don't know if they ever fixed the dkms bug in 6.1.0-18

13:29:05 <x3dre> going to reboot after the updates you suggested :)

13:33:57 <x3dre> Brilliant all is working ... Thanks gnarface fsmithred :)

18:38:54 <X3DRE> How do I get the sound subsystem to work as when I goto sound in the system settings there is no subsystem like alsa or pulseaudio?

18:47:59 <gnarface> X3DRE: you could try installing pulseaudio

18:48:24 <gnarface> X3DRE: also install pavucontrol, then run that and make sure the right hardware is selected

18:50:53 <gnarface> you don't always need pulseaudio, but you probably do need it to see the controls you're expecting. for bare alsa you'd usually use alsamixer in a terminal, which doesn't typically show up in desktop gui software

18:51:07 <gnarface> they rarely bother to implement fancy controls for alsa anymore :(

18:52:57 <X3DRE> I get this message when trying to install pulseaudio : The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome gnome-core pipewire-alsa pipewire-audio task-gnome-desktop

18:55:33 <X3DRE> This comes from doing this which I've said no! apt install pulseaudio pavucontrol pavumeter paprefs

18:57:44 <gnarface> hmm, maybe gnome needs pipewire and it's busted, but maybe also you just need to run pavucontrol instead of changing any apckages

18:58:39 <gnarface> try just installing pavucontrol, if you don't have it. also, gnome might just need an extra package for the control panel itself (i don't know that it doesn't, and it wouldn't be unprecedented)

18:59:52 <gnarface> run it and make sure your audio device is selected

19:00:27 <X3DRE> establishing connection but nothing happening...

19:01:08 <gnarface> run the command "groups" to check your current groups

19:01:56 <X3DRE> cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev users netdev bluetooth lpadmin scanner

19:07:05 <X3DRE> the list for this is long apt-cache search ^gnome

19:07:26 <gnarface> look for something that looks like your audio control panel that's missing

19:09:59 <X3DRE> nearest entry is this gnome-audio - Audio files for GNOME

19:13:20 <gnarface> it might be easier to just reboot the whole thing

19:20:42 <X3DRE> There is still no output sound device in the subsystem ...

19:22:00 <gnarface> make sure you have all these packages too: alsa-oss, alsa-tools, alsa-topology-conf, alsa-ucm-conf, alsa-utils

19:22:38 <gnarface> there's some slight chance your soundcard also needs non-free firmware, but i'm not sure what the likelyhood is of that, you can probably check by running: dmesg |grep firmware

19:23:03 <gnarface> you can also just try seeing what shows up if you run alsamixer

19:23:52 <gnarface> (install all that alsa stuff first and reboot again of course)

19:25:05 <X3DRE> All alsa stuff now installed only two were missing... Going to reboot

19:26:08 <X3DRE> This is there - snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware ctefx.bin

19:26:28 <gnarface> ok, no errors about missing firmware show up? it's probably fine then

19:27:04 <gnarface> yea, i think so. some rare intel soundcards need the "firmware-intel-sound" package from non-free-firmware, but i'd expect it to complain if that were the case

19:37:01 <gnarface> X3DRE: run this and paste the output at paste.debian.net then give me the link: aplay -l && aplay -L

19:44:49 <ra33> Greetings! Looking for a solution to a problem. Grub is broken! The system boots only like this (video) Tried these tools: Boot-Repair Super Grub2 Disk SystemRescueCD Rescatux

19:58:58 <gnarface> X3DRE: definitely sounds like a familiar pipewire issue, but unfortunately i don't know how to fix it. i'd say find out if gnome actually needs pipewire, and if not just install pulseaudio instead; it's possible it can work with pulseaudio but just needs to be reinstalled

19:59:34 <gnarface> X3DRE: this aplay output looks normal; you definitely have a soundcard.

20:00:10 <gnarface> i see your HDMI device is the first one, that might be why it's not working

20:00:58 <X3DRE> So I will remove pipewire I definitely have a soundcard

20:01:25 <gnarface> you can always put it back later if you figure out why it's broken

20:02:29 <gnarface> you should be able to do it with pavucontrol, but there's more than one thing wrong here

20:03:03 <gnarface> you could try putting these lines in your ~/.asoundrc:

20:04:06 <gnarface> you shouldn't have to reboot for that change but you will probably have to restart gnome and pipewire

20:05:45 <gnarface> not unless you're logging into your graphical desktop as root

20:05:54 <gnarface> it would be for your regular user that you log into the GUI as

20:07:46 <X3DRE> I have no .asoundrc hidden should I create it and with what permissions ?

20:08:12 <gnarface> create one, as your regular non-root user, with the default permissions

20:08:55 <gnarface> this probably won't make the gnome control panel work, but maybe it'll at least get you sound, it's a long shot

20:09:08 <gnarface> you need to talk to someone who knows pipewire and gnome better, i think

20:11:37 <X3DRE> ok I wonder if anyone else here knows about them or goto the devs of pipewire

20:12:41 <gnarface> someone else definitely knows a fix for this, i'm just not sure who

20:12:52 <gnarface> it has definitely come up before and someone had a fix

20:13:25 <gnarface> more than once, just installing pulseaudio instead worked, but in those cases gnome wasn't involved

20:14:00 <X3DRE> I found this link https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8671533.html?sid=a89848f932d160f4413404920d3875a5

20:16:19 <gnarface> that probably didn't use gnome either though, did it? i wonder if it used pipewire or pulseaudio...

20:17:02 <gnarface> seems like in this gentoo link the guy has the same issue as you, but his config is much more complicated

20:18:48 <gnarface> notice that one post suggests a 1-line version of the 3-line config i gave you, and another one said he just removed both pulseaudio and pipewire to fix it (which is what i'd do, but i also wouldn't be using gnome)

20:20:04 <X3DRE> I have changed over to plasma instead... But I prefer gnome it's just a desktop as long as it fully functional :)

20:21:11 <gnarface> your init system is the default (sysvinit) right?

20:21:44 <X3DRE> I am pretty sure I chose that option on install

20:21:47 <gnarface> alright, paste.debian.net this output: ls -lR /etc/alsa/

20:23:58 <gnarface> or, wait, if you switched to plasma does that mean you can switch to pulseaudio too?

20:24:25 <gnarface> you only have those 2 in there? hmm, something is wrong...

20:24:30 <X3DRE> No I just logged out of gnome and chose the plasma desktop..

20:24:47 <gnarface> try installing pulseaudio and letting it remove pipewire?

20:24:57 <gnarface> then reboot once and see if sound is working in plasma?

20:27:58 <X3DRE> Great I installed apt install -f pulseaudio and presto not rebooted and sound is working :)

20:28:29 <gnarface> thus further supporting my theory that they made pipewire because pulseaudio was working too well

20:29:08 <X3DRE> If it ain't broked don't try and fix it - Many thanks gnarface :)

20:32:51 <X3DRE> Does this text transcript go into the archive as it might help someone else ?

20:33:27 <gnarface> isn't there a link to it in the channel topic?

20:34:41 <gnarface> Chanlogs http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/

20:37:01 <X3DRE> I got banned for using lower case x3dre dunno why though

20:57:57 <archdummy> 1) Devuan 1 galaxy forum banned me, are there other places to discuss ?

20:58:18 <archdummy> 2) Whats are the benefits of devuan over debian ? It boots faster?

21:01:24 <gnarface> X3DRE: you sure it was a ban or maybe just a kick?

21:01:44 <gnarface> archdummy: a little faster, a little simpler, a little less attack surface

21:02:41 <joerg> [27 Apr 2024 17:27:23] <-- X3DRE (~X3DRE@156.67.34.248) has left this server (Remote host closed the connection).

21:04:02 <archdummy> I'm trying to install in a particular way : efi + boot + PV, then LV-root LV-home LV-swap, then btrfs @home on LV-home, and @ + @root + @opt + @.snapshots + @var + @tmp on LV-root. Is it feasible on devuan? (Apparently mx installer didn't allow for such stuff)

21:04:35 <joerg> [27 Apr 2024 11:37:16] <-- x3dre (~x3dre@2a04:202:3421:ce00:5fb:1b30:3908:4ab6) has left this server (Client Quit).

21:05:26 <gnarface> archdummy: well, yea, they actively try to stop you from using other init systems

21:06:18 <gnarface> archdummy: redhat/IBM. they've specifically designed it to make it difficult or impossible to support other init systems while fully supporting systemd, so devuan has all the other init systems

21:08:11 <gnarface> uh, hmm... not sure, sounds right though maybe

21:08:37 <gnarface> artix is also a non-systemd fork of arch?

21:10:34 <archdummy> What is the name of the Devuan unstable suite?

21:10:55 <gnarface> current stable is daedalus, and excalibur is testing

21:12:32 <archdummy> Thanks, does the timezone needs to be accurate to register on the forum?

21:14:06 <archdummy> Or are you asking if I wanna try linux / 1st experience?

21:15:09 <gnarface> archdummy: no, no. i'm flagging the forum admin, nickname: golinux, who might know the answer

21:16:04 <joerg> X3DRE: why / where / when did you think you got banned?

21:16:11 <archdummy> Info Unfortunately it looks like your request is spam. If you feel this is a mistake, please direct any inquiries to the forum administrator at IRC #devuan at irc.libera.chat Go back

22:12:52 <golinux> archdummy: You'd have to get that answer from rrq.

23:37:00 <X3DRE> @joerg Earlier today approximately 11am BST I came to libera as x3dre and the browser crashed and then tried straight again, to which I got a message I've been banned ...

23:38:00 <X3DRE> so I came on as X3DRE and I'm not banned using caps...

23:38:15 <joerg> you say "browser crashed", so I assume you used the webchat?

23:40:16 <X3DRE> well I thought it might be a cookie issue but it doesn't matter now, my sound issue has been fixed :-)

23:44:25 <joerg> kiwiirc webchat "client" actually stores channels you joined, in a cookie I think, so it _might_ be related

23:51:41 <X3DRE> so you suggest using kiwiirc instead of gamja ?

23:57:45 <fluffywolf> that page doesn't even mention ircii, epic, or bitchx... someone has something against proper irc clients, I see....

00:04:40 <joerg> X3DRE: I never looked into gamja, it's supposedly more lightweight than kiwiirc

00:25:33 <joerg> X3DRE: anyway, if you wanna have a look, https://web.libera.chat/#devuan

01:04:52 * Xenguy stabs bitchx, and forbids future usage of the word

03:16:35 <ted-ious> Xenguy: What's wrong with native irc clients?

03:17:55 <Xenguy> ted-ious, Are you asking me what's wrong with bitchx?