13:05:04 <gnarface> if anyone has trouble starting Xorg after upgrading ceres today, make sure you're using the glvnd versions of the various pacakges rather than the non-glvnd ones (dunno why, dunno why it keeps happening, either)

13:05:33 <gnarface> sorry of the various nvidia driver related packages

13:05:45 <gnarface> to be clear

13:06:26 <gnarface> not the first time that has sideswiped me, though i'm not clear if the non-glvnd ones sometimes worked and i didn't notice, or if the part i keep missing is it switching them out during upgrades

13:06:45 <gnarface> i *thought* they were both working before but i could be wrong

13:07:24 <gnarface> i also purged the old version of nvidia-persistenced which doesn't appear to have an updated version in the repo yet, though i'm not sure if that step was necessary now

14:10:35 <Xenguy_> Sendmail? Surely you jest = )

14:11:16 <Xenguy> I always thought postfix should have been the default MTA, but they keey picking Exim for some reason

14:11:35 <Xenguy> er, keep

14:24:28 <hightower3> hm strange, so on ppc63le ascii I had kernel 4.9. Then I upgraded to unstable which also added kernel 5.2. Now, when grub chooses 5.2 and boots it, a couple lines below it says 'starting kernel via...' and this hangs with 1 cpu core going to 100%, whereas with 4.9 it works.

21:43:44 <lifebook> hey! some news about 4.19 beowulf vs 4.9 ascii kernels combat in computer with low memory 256 MB and monothread CPU

21:44:55 <lifebook> with 4.19 the system is not usable because it keeps on swapping

21:45:40 <lifebook> just tested with 5.2 (buster-backports from debian) and good surprise

21:46:12 <lifebook> the system may swap but does not keep on swapping

21:46:53 <lifebook> 5.2 behaves like 4.9

21:48:25 <lifebook> there may be something wrong in memory management from 4.19

21:48:40 <lifebook> maybe in mm_percpu_wq

21:49:11 <lifebook> the memory is allocated but not freed

21:50:12 <lifebook> as 5.2 kernel has better protection against spectre n friends

21:51:51 <lifebook> time to get on without 4.9 ascii kernel

21:55:12 <lifebook> if anyone else got trouble with ressource limited system yet wants memory management

21:55:30 <lifebook> go get 5.2

21:55:40 <lifebook> :)

21:56:29 <lifebook> it may also be related to rcu_gp (grace period)

22:01:32 <lifebook> thanks to all

03:05:35 <Xenguy> Is everyone else on Ascii getting a huge update this morning, including ssh etc.?

03:16:46 <yeti> 32/36 packages upgraded on amd64/i386

03:19:22 <yeti> for my last 2 ascii VMs

03:34:53 <fsmithred> 75 packages upgraded five hours ago. I just checked and there are another 41.

03:47:10 <fsmithred> 82 available on another ascii, and this is the one I've been using to test the update notifier. Previous dist-upgrade was three days ago.

03:54:36 <ErRandir> 61 updates here

04:13:42 <Xenguy> Thanks folks

08:43:23 <systemdlete2> My laptop hangs when it exits xfce to lightdm (slim is no longer installed)

08:43:43 <systemdlete2> boots to lightdm without issue and I can log in without issue

08:43:55 <systemdlete2> (othr than display being sideways)

08:44:07 <systemdlete2> xfce display is landscape

08:45:05 <systemdlete2> also, I cannot get cinnamon to launch; it just hangs.

08:52:59 <sky-kun> Hello folks.

08:54:19 <sky-kun> Anyone here have good knowledge with nvidia cuda and blender? I didn't get it to work on my devuan ascii. I have the nvidia drivers version 390 installed, but in blender no cuda support is detected.

09:46:30 <hightower3> Hey not particularly important, but just repeating the report from yesterday, which is that on Linux 5.2.0-2-powerpc64le (the kernel from debian unstable), my install hangs at message "Booting Linux via __start() @ 0x000000000002000000" and once CPU core goes to 100% (I notice this because running in a VM)

09:46:36 <hightower3> Kernel 4.9 works fine

09:47:18 <hightower3> s/once/one/g

10:06:22 <xrogaan> systemdlete: have you checked your logs?