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2019-09-04
06:38:48 <nexgen2> please let me know, when Beowulf is going to be released?
06:39:08 <nexgen2> any estimate like month?
06:39:46 <nexgen2> can we see a list of open blocking bugs yet?
07:14:51 <gnarface> nexgen2: no official release date yet
07:15:10 <nexgen2> any significant difficulties?
07:15:14 <systemdlete> gnarface: Back to my laptop install problem? (If you have a moment)
07:15:28 <gnarface> nexgen2: bugs.devuan.org has some bugs, not sure if it's complete
07:15:28 <nexgen2> what does not work yet?
07:15:53 <nexgen2> all solvable in a time?
07:15:54 <gnarface> systemdlete: what was the problem again?
07:16:04 <systemdlete> hangs while trying to find cd-rom device
07:16:13 <gnarface> oh, right, and that was the netinstaller
07:16:20 <systemdlete> right net
07:16:27 <gnarface> and you tried it in expert mode?
07:16:31 <systemdlete> yes
07:16:37 <gnarface> and you checksummed the image?
07:17:00 <systemdlete> well, no, but I can do that from the host (Devuan ASCII) that I creaed the drive?
07:17:34 <gnarface> where you used dd
07:17:40 <gnarface> yes you can checksum there before you write the image
07:18:07 <gnarface> it's just a way to check to see if the image was corrupted during download or something. that could be causing this
07:18:19 <gnarface> you're supposed to check it anyway in case of tampering though
07:18:37 <systemdlete> sure
07:19:16 <gnarface> and yes, i have actually seen this exact failure, caused by a corrupted download of the install image, more than once
07:19:35 <systemdlete> yipers.
07:19:58 <gnarface> but that said, it could be something weird about the hardware too, i don't know for sure. you might get some useful output if you're on the 4th virtual terminal when the install chokes
07:19:58 <systemdlete> last time I had anything like that (whic I can recall, that is) was back in modem days
07:20:18 <gnarface> or one of the 2-4th ones, anyway
07:20:21 <systemdlete> ah, yes. the 4th vt. thanks for reminder! (I should have done that)
07:21:21 <systemdlete> checking it now.
07:21:34 <systemdlete> I mean trying to do a cmp
07:22:20 <gnarface> is the network already setup yet at that point?
07:22:24 <nexgen3> is it harder to make this release compared to earlier one?
07:22:32 <nexgen3> Beowulf vs Ascii
07:22:41 <gnarface> nexgen3: why don't you just give it a try?
07:22:42 <systemdlete> gnarface: not sure yet
07:23:01 <gnarface> systemdlete: that probably means no
07:23:05 <gnarface> systemdlete: do try it in expert mode, too
07:23:15 <nexgen3> I tried to partially upgrade Ascii yesterday and it failed to login after done
07:23:17 <gnarface> systemdlete: (the text mode, expert mode, to be sure)
07:23:26 <nexgen3> I wanted only to update qemu
07:23:32 <systemdlete> gnarface: I will try that next, as soon as cmp finishes
07:23:41 <gnarface> nexgen3: that bug has something to do with some polkit file. if you ditch your graphical login, you can avoid the issue
07:23:48 <nexgen3> it depends on a newer openrc too
07:24:10 <nexgen3> rc-status seg faults then
07:24:18 <nexgen3> so openrc got broken
07:24:39 <nexgen> updated only a few packages
07:24:54 <nexgen> about 10, not complete installation
07:25:01 <nexgen> it is not correct of course
07:25:24 <nexgen> but would not like to do a full upgrade till release done
07:26:23 <gnarface> nexgen: well, a partial upgrade could be causing *extra* problems for you, just fyi
07:26:36 <nexgen> Though I tried Beowulf on ARM, looks fine
07:26:48 <nexgen> sure it can
07:26:53 <nexgen> it was just a try
07:27:16 <nexgen> then I did zfs rollback and on ascii now again
07:28:35 <systemdlete> gnarface: thanks again for the help. Cmp comes back ok (after I remembered to limit the number of bytes to compare! ::EYEROLL::)
07:29:04 <systemdlete> So I am willing to say the usb device has integrity and the image is good.
07:29:16 <nexgen> someone tries to break my connection instantly, it is silly since this session is from a server console
07:29:23 <nexgen> in another country
07:32:06 <systemdlete> gnarface: I skipped the first 4 steps (using the expert mode) and went straight to load installer modules. It found the cd-rom drive.
07:32:13 <systemdlete> tells me to continue.
07:32:34 <systemdlete> but do we want to know why (the vt 4 trick?)
07:37:12 <systemdlete> text mode makes quick work of detecting the cd-rom. I hard rebooted the laptop and went directly to the detect cd-rom step this time and it found it almost instantly
07:37:37 <systemdlete> (I think this may have been the solution last time also, but IDR clearly)
07:41:36 <onefang> Is nexgen3 the next generation of nexgen?
07:42:18 <systemdlete> can't read ctr while initializing i8042 after first booting up the graphical install. Just hangs there
07:42:21 <nexgen> most likely just an intention to try a K6 CPU
07:42:24 <systemdlete> and that's from a cold boot
07:45:53 <systemdlete> ok. Cold boot. Graphical install this time. Got same error about the i8042, but it gets to the select language step
07:46:11 <systemdlete> So this is apparently a timing issue... or... hw
07:46:14 <systemdlete> :(
07:46:55 <systemdlete> found the cd-rom this time! WTH???
07:47:56 <systemdlete> gnarface: I hadn't tried graphical before the other (expert, text) install attempts. I am wondering if it is because the laptop was off (cold) for a long time
07:48:22 <systemdlete> This tiny laptop has no fan... so maybe a component(s) is overheating sometimes
08:08:09 <systemdlete> zyyzssss
08:08:15 <gnarface> systemdlete: it is a mystery to me still too.
08:08:34 <gnarface> systemdlete: the i8042 error, did you google that? you may need to add kernel parameters
08:08:43 <gnarface> kernel command-line options i mean
08:10:13 <systemdlete> well, apparently this i8042 error has been around for ages. But the install DOES continue, at least this time, and from what I can tell from other people's posts, it looks like it may be intermittent.
08:11:05 <systemdlete> At any rate, now I am trying to set up wireless networking. It is asking for the ESSID, I enter xfinitywifi, then it wants the WPA2 password and I am not sure what it is supposed to be; that's not how I connect my phone to the Internet.
08:11:29 <systemdlete> xfinitywifi wants your comcast id and password for that ID.
08:11:39 <systemdlete> That's how I did it when windows was on this laptop
08:16:03 <gnarface> systemdlete: look for a sticker on the side of it maybe (just guessing)
08:16:26 <gnarface> systemdlete: but it's probably supposed to be something you set yourself in some admin console
08:16:45 <gnarface> systemdlete: and you should change the default SSID too
08:16:53 <systemdlete> Oh, I know my xfinity login and password for xfinitywifi hotspots. Trouble is, the installer is not asking for that info.
08:17:05 <systemdlete> (this is not a local home wifi!)
08:19:17 <systemdlete> btw, the touchscreen works, even in the graphical installer... :)
08:21:37 <systemdlete> I wonder if the full ISO might be better in my case.
08:22:18 <systemdlete> That way, I can install the system and then use the desktop to (easily) connect to the internet
08:22:44 <gnarface> is there a ethernet cable option?
08:22:47 <systemdlete> OTOH, it might not be easy. I have never tried connecting anything other than a smartphone to xfinitywifi hotspot
08:22:50 <systemdlete> no.
08:22:52 <systemdlete> well
08:23:18 <systemdlete> actually, I do have a usb-eth dongle, but there is only a single USB port, and I don't have a hub.
08:23:49 <gnarface> the installer may see the wired ethernet as the first and primary net connection
08:24:03 <systemdlete> And I don't know if setting up eth over usb is possible even in the expert mode (but it could be)
08:24:41 <systemdlete> but it does ask for wpa info! So it can't be the only thing it looks for
08:25:10 <systemdlete> I think the windows wireless setup had a special routine/handler for xfinity/comcast
08:25:12 <gnarface> i wonder if it is a firmware issue
08:25:47 <systemdlete> there is NO ethernet port on the laptop (sorry, should have mentioned)
08:26:00 <gnarface> it is common for wireless devices to only offer limited functionality when operating without the non-free firmware
08:26:17 <gnarface> omitting wpa2 is one of the limitations that is common
08:27:41 <gnarface> i'm wondering if the installer isn't offering wpa2 because your device isn't offering it
08:27:54 <systemdlete> no.
08:28:25 <systemdlete> the installer gets to the detect network hardware step, detects the wireless device successfully.
08:28:42 <systemdlete> It assumes I want to configure the wireless (given there is nothing else)
08:29:05 <systemdlete> then it presents me with a list of network ESS it finds, I pick xfinitywifi
08:29:19 <systemdlete> but then it gives me a choice of either WEP or WPA2/PSK
08:29:42 <systemdlete> there is no option for the kind of connection required for comcast/xfinitywifi hotspot
08:30:12 <gnarface> oh, i thought you said there was now WPA2
08:30:15 <systemdlete> where I would enter my comcast ID and password
08:30:25 <systemdlete> there is!
08:30:33 <gnarface> try that
08:30:35 <systemdlete> sorry, I'm not following you.
08:30:45 <gnarface> try wpa2/psk
08:30:48 <systemdlete> where would I enter my login info?
08:31:04 <gnarface> probably later, like at boot time
08:31:13 <systemdlete> ok, what would I enter for the pass phrase?
08:31:18 <gnarface> or on the next page...
08:31:26 <gnarface> they didn't give you a password?
08:31:38 <systemdlete> It is asking for the WPA2 passphrase, not my comcast ID/login
08:31:53 <gnarface> you sure they didn't make that the same thing?
08:32:01 <systemdlete> I don't know of one, or can't recall one. Never had to do that for Windows.
08:32:06 <systemdlete> no, they are different.
08:32:36 <systemdlete> I'm not sure how Windows 10 was able to do it. I'd have to rebuild the laptop and see if I can figure out how it does its magic there.
08:32:48 <gnarface> windows has secret evil tricks that linux doesn't support yet. that IS a thing. you're not going crazy.
08:33:03 <systemdlete> Or maybe ask comcast/xfinity support... yecccch.
08:33:10 <gnarface> i forget what it's called
08:33:12 <gnarface> it's super insecure
08:33:18 <gnarface> WIP or someshit
08:33:37 <systemdlete> Oh I AM definitely going crazy. But, mind you, my smart phone is android, and I think that is a hacked-up linux box IIRC
08:33:50 <gnarface> it's for inital wifi auto configuration and it just picks the passphrase randomly for you and hides it and never asks again probably
08:34:19 <gnarface> did you set it up already? maybe you can get the password from the windows box somehow....
08:34:50 <systemdlete> possibly. But when I entered a random string for WPA2 (that's the noise I wrote by accident here, meaning to type it into the laptop! sorry about that...)
08:34:56 <gnarface> comcast tech support will probably tell you they don't support linux :-p
08:35:01 <systemdlete> it fails, of course.
08:35:08 <systemdlete> yep.
08:35:26 <systemdlete> That's if you can even get them to acknowledge that you are not on Windows or MAC in the first place.
08:35:36 <systemdlete> I've googled for help on this btw
08:36:11 <systemdlete> "How can anyone be on a system that is not EITHER Windows or Mac? Sorry, sir, that is just not possible sir."
08:36:37 <systemdlete> "There is no such thing on Earth that is not running either of these 2 venerated OS's."
08:36:49 <systemdlete> "Is there something else I can help you with today?"
08:37:20 <gnarface> i think you should try the wire
08:37:45 <systemdlete> OK, how? Only one USB port, no hub here.
08:37:55 <gnarface> maybe you still need to set it up, and maybe you can connect to it
08:38:04 <gnarface> over the wire
08:38:25 <gnarface> didn't you say you had a usb wired ethernet adapter?
08:38:31 <systemdlete> there IS the power port, which is USB.
08:38:34 <systemdlete> (yes)
08:38:53 <systemdlete> But I don't have a gender changer for USB either :(
08:39:14 <gnarface> doesn't the comcast device have a ethernet port?
08:39:25 <systemdlete> The dongle is female and so is the other end of the power cable.
08:39:31 <systemdlete> Oh, heheheh.
08:39:54 * systemdlete just cannot make his own life and everyone else's challenging enough
08:40:20 <systemdlete> I have my own surfboard modem. No extra ports there either.
08:40:27 <systemdlete> oh... then again
08:40:42 <systemdlete> I guess I could connect directly from the laptop to the sb modem
08:40:57 <gnarface> connect the wired ethernet, then the network connection won't require a password just to get to the router's login page
08:42:10 <gnarface> then you can set the wifi password to whatever you want
08:42:13 <systemdlete> well, for that matter, I could just connect the wire to my desktop box.
08:42:15 <gnarface> that's the theory, anyway
08:42:30 <systemdlete> again, the dongle is female usb end
08:42:48 <systemdlete> or is it male?
08:43:12 <gnarface> the desktop box should work fine, i'm betting that all you need is a computer with a working ethernet port and a web browser
08:43:24 <systemdlete> oh I've got that and more
08:43:44 <systemdlete> I'm just trying to figure out how to connect all the pieces given the genders
08:44:33 <systemdlete> I've actually got 2 dongles. So I could theoretically connect a dongle to the desktop and the laptop, and connect them by a short piece of ethernet...
08:45:06 <systemdlete> only problem with THAT arrangement is that, I've discovered the hard way, that these dongles give flaky connections.
08:46:22 <systemdlete> gnarface: the laptop has a USB C port!!!!
08:46:43 <systemdlete> I forgot about that, because I don't have any USB C equipment, so I've just kind of ignored that.
08:49:12 <gnarface> wait, is the desktop using a different router?
08:49:53 <gnarface> if it is already connected wirelessly, it might still be able to see the router's configuration panel, which would show you the wifi password
08:51:49 <systemdlete> no the desktop is hardwired into the modem. I don't use wifi at home atm.
08:51:53 <systemdlete> BUT!
08:51:57 <systemdlete> DOH!
08:52:13 <systemdlete> A wireless router -- I've got more than one of those...
08:52:18 <systemdlete> and they work.
08:52:50 <systemdlete> thanks gnarface! When you said "router" I thought of an integrated modem/router, not just a plain old router.
08:53:13 <systemdlete> This is why I need people. My imagination is limited
08:53:33 <systemdlete> Seriously, I think that is the ticket.
09:15:53 <Fersure> Hi everyone, I'm about to try installing devuan for the first time and it's going to be on a linode.
09:16:19 <Fersure> Any advice/tips/guides? I'm moderately experienced with debian/ubuntu, so I'm feeling good about it. But anything specific to devuan and linodes would be appreciated. :)
09:20:58 <gnarface> never tried it, but if there is info for linode and debian wheezy, it might be relevant
09:21:15 <gnarface> at least partially
09:23:08 <Fersure> ah okay, thanks. I'm kinda wondering how to do it without an image, too.
09:23:14 <Fersure> Never tried that on linode, so should be a challenge
09:32:50 <systemdlete> gnarface: wireless connection successful. Install continues (and ty ty ty again and again!)
09:35:38 <gnarface> no problem
09:36:40 <systemdlete> detecting hardware, please wait... unresponsive
09:37:02 <systemdlete> tried f4, alt-f4, ctl-alt-f4... nada
09:37:20 <systemdlete> I might try this in expert (text) mode
09:39:41 <systemdlete> usb stick led still oscillating low-bright as usual
09:40:21 <gnarface> does it do that to indicate read/write traffic?
09:40:28 <gnarface> if so, you should just leave it go
09:40:31 <systemdlete> I think so, yes.
09:40:42 <systemdlete> It's been more than 5 minutes
09:41:02 <gnarface> can you check for network traffic?
09:41:31 <gnarface> hardware detection can fail
09:41:35 <gnarface> but it should time out
09:41:43 <systemdlete> router led not flickering, but let me check on desktop
09:41:45 <systemdlete> box
09:41:55 <gnarface> network and disk i/o can be real slow too though
09:43:44 <systemdlete> wireshark capturing ethernet port on desktop box shows lots of SSDP messages
09:44:01 <systemdlete> that's it though
09:44:08 <gnarface> SSDP?
09:44:41 <systemdlete> part of HTTP I think -- the info field for the packets say "NOTIFY * HTTP/1.1"
09:45:34 <systemdlete> SSDP: Simple Service Discovery Protocol
09:45:48 <gnarface> some auto-setup stuff
09:45:57 <systemdlete> ooh. wait.
09:46:27 <systemdlete> I set up that ethernet port originally for use on my test lan. I think I set it up for internet access
09:46:51 <systemdlete> the other device on that network is my test box, which is really flakey at the moment.
09:47:28 <systemdlete> I might have to replace the board on that guy, but a different matter. Point is, I can't seem to get it to boot the perfectly good devuan install there to see if that subnet has internet or not
09:49:00 <systemdlete> the source of those packets appear to be from the router
09:49:15 <systemdlete> some sort of broadcast on 239.355.255.250
09:49:18 <gnarface> well this now might not be a network issue
09:49:31 <gnarface> you might have actually run into a kernel problem or a hardware problem
09:49:34 <gnarface> or a kernel problem with the hardware
09:49:47 <systemdlete> on the desktop box?
09:49:53 <systemdlete> (which is running ascii, btw)
09:50:13 <gnarface> no i mean on the one you're installing to that hung on detecting devices - that was the netbook, right?
09:50:21 <systemdlete> right
09:50:23 <systemdlete> ok
09:50:48 <systemdlete> this seems very intermittent, gnarface.
09:51:09 <gnarface> it could be a hardware defect but it is probably just a kernel issue
09:51:13 <systemdlete> I think those SSDP noises are for the router's own web interface
09:51:13 <gnarface> maybe a newer kernel would fix it
09:51:38 <gnarface> connect to the router's ip in a browser
09:51:43 <systemdlete> what is the prescribed way to create an ISO with a newer kernel?
09:51:50 <systemdlete> ooh. good idea
09:52:22 <systemdlete> actually, I've done that. I had to in order to get the wifi info to connect from the laptop.
09:52:39 <systemdlete> If I could get to a cmd prompt on the laptop
09:52:52 <systemdlete> I could see if I could ping, say, google or cnn.com or the like
09:56:02 <onefang> Just maybe not yahoo.com, they seem to be having troubles.
10:03:00 <systemdlete> gnarface: I was able to look at the router's dhcp client log and I got its address. I tried pinging the laptop, no response
10:04:21 <systemdlete> ok, my smart phone can connect to the router, but no internet
10:04:42 <systemdlete> firewall problem on the desktop
10:21:52 <systemdlete> nope. It's def the router's config. I'm working on it.
13:47:37 <kiwi_28> Hi, I am newbie, and I used debian sid around 2004, fairly because the stable libs were to old, shall I do the same with ceres, or is there no need to avoid stable, say the ppa bleeding edge of developement projects?
13:47:51 <kiwi_28> to/too
13:49:26 <kiwi_28> Well I start downloading debian ascII right now, stop me, if do wrong, please. ..
13:51:21 <buZz> imho grab ascii , install , then just distupgrade to beowulf if you really want to
13:51:26 <buZz> but ascii is fine
13:51:59 <buZz> if you dont run a ton of weird stuff, the in-ascii libs are fine
13:54:53 <kiwi_28> Thanks buZz, I will do so. Another question: It is i got internet over usb tethering of and android mobile here, so I opt install a base system till APT and then installing chroot from a xubuntu system, till to have the internet working, well, if no other advice ..
13:55:13 <buZz> i dont see why
13:55:27 <buZz> just grab the 'full' cd1 of devuan ascii, install some base desktop with that
13:55:46 <buZz> then boot into it, fix up your usb internetting , and start updating?
13:56:45 <kiwi_28> I need to configure internet without having it, thats why.
13:56:56 <kiwi_28> "network"
13:57:40 <kiwi_28> I needed systemd, networkmanager, nm-applet by now.
13:57:45 <kiwi_28> Get me.
13:58:08 <buZz> > ifconfig usb0 up && dhclient usb0
13:58:58 <buZz> you may need to enable 'usb debugging' for that
13:59:08 <buZz> or some work with only 'usb tethering' enabled
14:03:17 <kiwi_28> Yes, it is that not even debian installer routine (dhclient) could not configure network, so I am not complete out of my plans, but I value you help. Thanks so far.
14:03:53 <kiwi_28> you/your
14:09:43 <kiwi_28> do I need the 3 CDs or just install (to partition) from devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso ?
14:10:31 <kiwi_28> Would do the latter..
14:11:09 <kiwi_28> if not stopped .. (;
14:38:14 <fsmithred> kiwi_28, did you test hibernation with the live-CD yesterday?
15:10:30 <kiwi_28> fsmithred: download of live image is finishing in 13min.
15:11:20 <kiwi_28> buZz: for installation, too.
15:11:55 <buZz> i never installed from livecd , no clue if that has as many packages as CD1
15:14:05 <kiwi_28> .. if there is an install option at all to expect
15:16:04 <buZz> i'd think so .. not sure
15:23:12 <fsmithred> livecd will install essentially the same as netinstall with xfce desktop choice
15:23:22 <fsmithred> cd1 gives a partial desktop install
15:23:44 <fsmithred> some of the missing packages are on the cd, some not.
15:24:02 <fsmithred> I think it does not install firefox, wicd and I don't remember what else.
15:25:42 <buZz> hmm, ok, wel
15:25:49 <fsmithred> kiwi_28, here's a guide for the live installer: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/live-gui.html
15:26:02 <buZz> fsmithred: i -think- if the android in question offers proper usbnetworking , that commandline i gave would work for internet
15:26:11 <buZz> 12:58:08 < buZz> > ifconfig usb0 up && dhclient usb0
15:26:42 <fsmithred> that would be good
15:28:11 <fsmithred> for a default xfce install to a single partition, the end result will be almost identical for live install or netinstall iso, but the live install will only take 10 minutes.
15:29:21 <fsmithred> for lvm, raid, more complicated partitioning than just a separate /home, or anything other than full desktop install, the live-iso won't do it.
15:30:25 <fsmithred> well, minimal-live will give you no desktop.
15:30:45 <fsmithred> but a lot more than just the standard system utils
15:31:12 <buZz> i guess we just have to wait for kiwi_28 to report what worked for him/her
15:31:45 <fsmithred> if it's the same kiwi as yesterday, I'm still waiting to hear about hibernation test
15:33:35 <buZz> i think kiwiirc still gives kiwi_xxx nicknames by default
15:34:07 <buZz> they do seem to share ISP ;) at least , both came from 46.114.x.y
15:37:39 <kiwi_28> yes its me.
15:46:22 <kiwi_28> so now I read everything so far, thank everybody and now I must leave to reboot this computer, right? Bye so far.
15:46:35 <fsmithred> good luck
15:47:01 <fsmithred> you might be able to connect with us while running the live
15:47:15 <fsmithred> and while doing the install
15:59:41 <hightower3> Hey can you remind me where is the devuan installer for mipsel
16:00:26 <hightower3> lol sorry I mean ppcle
16:02:10 <hightower3> found it, https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-ppc64el/current/images/netboot/
16:51:36 <james1138> Was reading about the new desktop environment called "Jade". From what I see so far - Devuan could save itself some headaches by NOT adding it to the choices of desktops during install. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/07/meet-the-jade-desktop-environment-for-linux-a-shell-built-using-web-tech
17:12:13 <golinux> james1138: You find the weirdest stuff to post.
17:12:29 <golinux> Why would that even be on our radar?
17:13:44 <james1138> Golinux... it may cross someone's mind for future versions of Devuan. Sorry if I was outta line for posting.
17:14:48 <golinux> Might have been better on #debianfork.
17:15:06 <golinux> as it's not a support question
17:37:33 <drawkula> web tech... so that your desk gets all the web bugs too?
17:38:05 * drawkula waits for a unix rewrite by a web developer
17:53:36 <hightower3> lol
18:04:39 <drawkula> https://www.masswerk.at/jsuix/ <<< but that looks cool!
18:09:12 <golinux> drawkula: Try #debianfork
19:01:30 <kiwi_31> hi, just installed devuan, I can not configure hibernation with uswsusp, Is it that devuan uses a "/swapfile" that defaults to 250M, which is far to less? How could one change that?
19:02:16 <kiwi_31> to less/too little
19:02:28 <fsmithred> yes, you need a swap partition as big as your ram
19:02:37 <fsmithred> you have room to make another partition?
19:03:41 <fsmithred> kiwi_31, ^^^
19:05:47 <fsmithred> make a swap partition and add a line to /etc/fstab to use that partition. Remove or comment the line for the swapfile.
19:06:44 <kiwi_31> free -h tells that the system uses the swapfile in the root directory? I have a big swap partition or would provide a bigger swapfile, but I do not know how.
19:07:56 <fsmithred> where's the swap partition? /dev/sd??
19:08:59 <kiwi_31> the unused swap partition resides in sda6
19:09:15 <fsmithred> swapon /dev/sda6
19:09:33 <fsmithred> to have it persist after reboot, you must add it to fstab
19:09:58 <fsmithred> /dev/sda6 swap swap none defaults 0 0
19:10:35 <fsmithred> ^^^ that's wrong
19:10:42 <fsmithred> /dev/sda6 swap swap none 0 0
19:16:31 <james1138> Support question about Devuan. I found "Avahi" running in the background - is that needed for daily use? The laptop that I installed Devuan on is not part of any network that I know of.
19:17:13 <hightower3> not needed, eradicate it
19:17:17 <fsmithred> james1138, I don't think it's needed. I never install it, and all my computers are connected on the local network.
19:17:39 <fsmithred> I don't need help finding them.
19:18:19 <james1138> Thanks all. I must have installed it by mistake awhile back but just did not look close enough to notice.
19:18:39 <fsmithred> something probably recommended it
19:18:52 <fsmithred> you can avoid a lot of cruft by installing without Recommends
19:19:51 <hightower3> --no-install-recommends
19:20:19 <hightower3> though you might find yourself missing some things that you were previously taking for granted :)
19:20:27 <hightower3> when this option is used
19:20:58 <fsmithred> true. Look at what's not being installed and add any that you want.
19:21:51 <james1138> I kept the avahi library... appears to be needed by things like file-roller, audacity and others.
19:35:57 <hightower3> yes, james1138 btw you can look into things called debfoster and deborphan
19:36:29 <hightower3> I personally like debfoster a lot... it iterates over the package list, asking you if you want to keep/remove packages, while taking into account what they depend on and what depends on them
19:39:42 <james1138> I have deborphan but never heard of debfoster - will try that.
20:12:14 <Mobosmith> hello
20:12:59 <Mobosmith> I'm looking to get a newer version of mono than the one I have
20:13:23 <Mobosmith> would I find a newer version in the backports repositories?
20:17:44 <fsmithred> Mobosmith, I don't think there's mono in backports
20:18:02 <fsmithred> you would have to upgrade to beowulf or backport it yourself
20:18:34 <Mobosmith> I could add a repository off the mono website that's meant for debian 9
20:18:56 <fsmithred> that would probably work. Just be careful and check what else it will install.
20:19:00 <Mobosmith> but I don't know if I can run old and new versions at the same time either
20:19:13 <fsmithred> neither do I
20:19:27 <Mobosmith> are the steps to update to beowulf available yet?
20:19:39 <fsmithred> if they use deb packages, it'll probably replace the version you have
20:19:43 <james1138> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mono
20:20:26 <fsmithred> upgrade to beowulf might be easy or difficult, depending on what you have installed
20:20:34 <Mobosmith> yeah I need a version newer than stretch
20:21:19 <fsmithred> basically, replace 'ascii' with 'beowulf' in sources.list, update and dist-upgrade
20:21:51 <fsmithred> comment out beowulf-updates and beowulf-backports if you have them listed. They don't exist yet.
20:22:20 <fsmithred> Mobosmith, what desktop are you using?
20:22:50 <Mobosmith> what sort of stuff might break if I do? I'm using MATE. Got Xfce as a backup UI...
20:23:13 <fsmithred> well, the task-*-desktop packages aren't ready
20:23:28 <fsmithred> so, if you installed a full desktop from the installer, you might run into some trouble
20:24:38 <Mobosmith> I already have ASCII and would be updating
20:24:42 <fsmithred> and maybe various other little glitches
20:25:12 <fsmithred> someone recently ran into a problem trying to install gnome-disk-utility, because the current version of udisks2 is too old.
20:26:15 <fsmithred> I've done a few upgrades with xfce that was installed without metapackages, and the upgrades went smoothly.
20:27:06 <Mobosmith> is there a guide to the dist-upgrade I can read somewhere?
20:30:02 <golinux> james1138: Please do not post links directly to debian repos. Memorize this url: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/
20:30:03 <fsmithred> not a new guide, but it shouldn't be too different from jessie to ascii upgrade. You really should have a full backup or do it on a test system first.
20:31:07 <fsmithred> https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii
20:35:42 <Mobosmith> alright thanks for your help. I might attempt it later today
20:36:57 <kaun_> I had upgraded continuously from 2.2 till 5.x I think. Didn't need no guide! Maybe a Linux system of today is more involved to update.
20:39:20 <fsmithred> It'll be less involved when beowulf is actually ready.
20:40:33 <fsmithred> Here's an account of a very easy upgrade to beowulf. (YMMV): https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3039
20:59:12 <kiwi_90> Hi, I tried a lot to have first suspend and then resume and then again suspend working, with uswsusp s2disk: Now it says:s2disk: "Could not stat the resume device file. Reason: No such file or directory"
20:59:36 <kiwi_90> Anybody an idea? Thanks in advance.
21:04:41 <fsmithred> I think you can enter that in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
21:04:50 <fsmithred> and then run 'update-initramfs -u'
21:06:11 <fsmithred> maybe that's the wrong file
21:07:17 <fsmithred> oh, maybe just run 'update-initramfs -u'
21:07:58 <fsmithred> I think it will find the swap partition. You added that to fstab?
22:29:34 <Centurion_Dan> kiwi_90: usually that's the swap partition - make sure it's atleast as big as your ram
22:31:38 <fsmithred> Centurion_Dan, he started with a swapfile and then switched to using a swap partition.
22:32:14 <fsmithred> I think he just needs to rebuild initrd.
22:33:18 <r3boot> hmm, wasnt it a kernel parameter that could be set for the hibernate device?
22:34:43 <r3boot> ah, yes, resume=/some/block/device
22:36:54 <fsmithred> yeah, I guess that would work, too.
22:37:14 <fsmithred> There's a file for it in the initrd. conf/conf.d/resume
22:38:18 <fsmithred> and there's a file where you can set RESUME=none, which is helpful if you're making a live-iso
22:38:59 <fsmithred> I thought it was initramfs.conf, but the man page says nothing about resume.
22:43:01 <gnarface> /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
22:43:06 <fsmithred> Ah, it goes in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
22:43:07 <fsmithred> yeah
22:43:12 <fsmithred> you type faster than I do
22:43:35 <gnarface> it's all tab completion and high mouse sensitivity :-p
22:44:45 <fsmithred> but he shouldn't even need to do that, should he?
22:45:09 <fsmithred> If he configured a swap partition in fstab after the installation, therefore after the last time initrd got rebuilt.
22:45:26 <fsmithred> won't update-initramfs find it?
22:47:06 <r3boot> (#fail)
22:49:01 <r3boot> I mistyped; I have aliases (/<number>) which maps to /window <number>
22:49:26 <fsmithred> oh, I was trying to interpret that smiley face
22:50:49 <gnarface> fsmithred: yes, he shouldn't have to normally, but if he moved it he would
22:50:59 <gnarface> or if it wasn't setup at install time
22:51:31 <gnarface> it may or may not be defined at all, but if it's not defined it might pick the wrong one
22:51:45 <gnarface> default behavior i think is to just use the first available swap it finds
23:21:48 <hightower3> By the way, just to say it here because I don't want to bother posting to the DNG mailing list. Regarding the recent thread on this list where people have somehow concluded that IBM has deprioritized power9 platform and that that's why they open sourced the design...
23:22:07 <hightower3> not true, they want to make power9 very relevant and also have plans for up to power12 and beyond
23:22:39 <hightower3> that's the reason why they opensourced it, as well as to make it possible for embedded companies to have an ISA that's not obtainable only through high licensing costs
23:23:02 <r3boot> yeah, and that's a nice ramp-up for more zSeries sales :)
23:24:00 <MinceR> nice ramp-up for selling the department that deals in CPUs :>
23:25:08 <r3boot> err, iseries and their aix line, sorry :)
23:25:38 <hightower3> (And if anyone wants to buy this stuff at "normal" prices, it's available on https://www.raptorcs.com/content/base/products.html )
23:30:33 <kiwi_96> hi, my first installations acpi experience is hibernation is still not working:and after first suspend fails even in s2ram: "s2ram_do: Device or resource busy" . The computer is heating up, the fan goes without pause, but top knows nothing, clearly I have to reboot later. Any guesses?
23:31:11 <fsmithred> kiwi_96, what have you done so far?
23:31:18 <fsmithred> with the swap, I mean.
23:31:51 <kiwi_96> Hi fsmithred
23:32:01 <kiwi_96> Nice to meet you.
23:33:42 <kiwi_96> As told I managed obviously to prepare a uswsusp.conf that can suspend and resume once, but then fails.
23:35:11 <fsmithred> sorry, I have no ideas
23:35:23 <kiwi_96> This file is about 10 lines long, I dont know how to show it, neither still how to prepare the logs, but would.
23:35:43 <kiwi_96> .. in the forum, right?
23:35:59 <fsmithred> paste.debian or pastebin or something like that
23:36:29 <fsmithred> nc termbin.com 9999 < <file>
23:37:49 <fsmithred> nc termbin.com 9999 < filename
23:37:52 <fsmithred> looks better
23:39:38 <fsmithred> or forum
23:41:41 <kiwi_96> It is mainly the same behaviour I experienced from ubuntu systemd, which at this point came with these heavy impacts.
23:41:49 <fsmithred> I've never used s2disk.
23:42:11 <fsmithred> I've used pm-hibernate and pm-suspend
23:43:26 <kiwi_96> I give it a try, do not bother if next moment I fall out ..
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00:00:51 <kiwi_8> The same.
00:01:16 <kiwi_8> Was it an idea acpi module to reset or the ACPI firmware, this is at leastwhat the kernel log claims.
00:13:39 <gnarface> kiwi_8: there are BIOS/EFI settings that can sabotage hibernate
00:32:16 <kiwi_8> It used to work, with the same bios entries, and came with an ubuntu upgrade, do you really mean a bios issue was likely then?
00:34:51 <gnarface> i mean you might have changed the bios values accidentally
00:35:03 <gnarface> as part of a normal previous bios upgrade
00:35:16 <gnarface> or just loss of motherboard power
00:35:21 <gnarface> like if the cmos battery is dead
00:35:52 <gnarface> and there are a couple settings that are common in the wild, that could have sabotaged hibernation capability
00:36:08 <gnarface> "memory hole at 15k" or something like that
00:36:16 <gnarface> and available power management states
00:36:53 <gnarface> basically, i'm not questioning whether it used to work with the same bios entries. i'm questioning how sure you are they're actually still the same.
00:37:37 <kiwi_8> cmos: I found this line in the syslog:Sep 5 23:13:50 hhh kernel: [ 4980.462935] rtc_cmos 00:01: System wakeup disabled by ACPI
00:38:29 <gnarface> you do have acpid installed and running though, right?
00:38:35 <gnarface> there could be some acpi related packages missing
00:38:37 <kiwi_8> Just where the error apparently happened ..
00:39:03 <kiwi_8> quite sure
00:39:05 <gnarface> make sure you have these two packages: acpi-support-base acpid
00:39:51 <gnarface> you might also need pm-utils
00:39:52 <kiwi_8> I had them
00:40:23 <kiwi_8> The latter is installed.
00:41:06 <kiwi_8> but late, when the error already happened:
00:41:59 <kiwi_8> maybe I shall reboot with pm-utils installed.
00:44:36 <hightower3> Hey is libvirt-daemon-system known to not be installable on ppc64le? I get "depends: policykit-1 but it is not going to be installed"
00:44:58 <hightower3> and looking deeper into dependencies libpolicykit-1 depends on libpam-systemd etc.
00:47:51 <gnarface> hightower3: i think there are known issues with policykit in beowulf right now
00:48:06 <gnarface> you don't actually need it if you're not using a graphical login though
00:48:12 <fsmithred> it should be ok, but possibly not for all arches
00:48:32 <gnarface> hmm, could there be missing ppc64 packages?
00:48:39 <gnarface> due to lack of build hardware?
00:48:42 <fsmithred> yeah, I think there are
00:49:03 <fsmithred> no, there is a problem with the build system
00:49:59 <fsmithred> libpam-elogind should satisfy the dep
00:50:12 <fsmithred> hightower3, what version of policykit-1 can you see?
00:51:01 <hightower3> I see 0.105-18+deb9u1
00:51:35 <fsmithred> that's stretch
00:52:12 <hightower3> cat /etc/devuan_version --> ascii
00:52:22 <fsmithred> 0.105-18+devuan2.3 20
00:52:23 <fsmithred> 20 http://deb.devuan.org/devuan experimental/main amd64 Packages
00:53:23 <fsmithred> 0.105-18+devuan2.11 in ascii
00:53:40 <fsmithred> but I'm looking at amd64
00:53:44 <hightower3> the difference is in the ppc64le then
00:53:45 <hightower3> yes
00:55:53 <hightower3> you suggest I override the depends and just install libvirt-daemon-system, or no suggestions at the moment?
00:56:28 <fsmithred> I don't know what that will do
00:56:32 <hightower3> will try
00:56:46 <fsmithred> I know it's possible to function without policykit-1
00:56:59 <fsmithred> but I don't know about libvirt-daemon
01:01:21 <hightower3> I removed libpolicykit-1 as a dependency from libvirt-daemon-system
01:01:25 <hightower3> and it installed and started
01:01:30 <hightower3> and I connected to it via virt-manager
01:01:44 <hightower3> (it == libvirt-daemon-system)
01:03:32 <hightower3> seems like that's it, thanks for discussion/pointers
01:03:44 <fsmithred> cool. now I know who to ask next time I want to try virt-manager
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