#devuan

11:45:36 <onefang> Great, ntfs-3g screwed up, filling my syslog with thousands of lines per second, now its 12 GB of the same error message. lol

12:02:02 <onefang> Multitail also soaked up 12 GB of RAM, and also tmux sincu multitail was running in tmux, and then the editor I loaded the 12 GB file into to find where the last proper line was- so I could remove the excess errors.

12:02:17 <onefang> There's a reason I have 256 GB of RAM, this ain't it. lol

12:06:54 <onefang> So warning, if you are using ntfs-3g to copy the contents of a large Windows partition elsewhere, keep an eye on things. It was looping on that one file it couldn't copy, instead of just one error and move on.

12:09:30 <onefang> Coz there's still 100GB of this partition to copy, and I'd rather not spend the next couple of hours holding it's hand in case it screws up again.

12:10:11 <gnarface> well, you should be able to tell rsyslog to ignore duplicate errors

12:10:51 <gnarface> fwiw emacs can open 12GB files without using 12GB of ram

12:11:14 <onefang> BUt I still have to notice it's looping and tell it to skip that filre and move on. Or rather not have it error out in the first place.

12:11:44 <gnarface> there's also ntfs 2g and 4g but it seems like something may be wrong at the host end

12:11:45 <onefang> Meh most of my 256 GB of RAM wasn't being used. B-)

12:12:39 <onefang> "host end" in this case being a dd of the Windows partition from my other computer.

12:13:21 <onefang> Which is currently ntfs-3g mounted on my super desktop, to copy files out of it.

12:14:37 <gnarface> there's no question fat32 has better support for write operations

12:14:53 <gnarface> it lacks some features some versions of windows may want though

12:15:26 <onefang> Alas this is NTFS as installed by Windows 8.1 long ago.

12:15:29 <gnarface> i honestly don't know if ntfs write support ever moved out of "experimental"

12:16:20 <gnarface> i'm sure there's some way to suppress the logging entirely but that's not really gonna fix the problem

12:16:32 <gnarface> and you might be causing permanent filesystem corruption

12:16:32 <onefang> Well I'm using it for reading to copy the files out, not writing. The destination is ext4.

12:17:10 <onefang> Well safe except I'm missing at least two files. lol

12:17:46 <onefang> That would mean actually running Windows, and giving it network access. Ewww

12:18:21 <gnarface> this is a local image file right? in theory you could spin it up in qemu and restrict its network access to localhost

12:18:38 <onefang> I have used samba in the past, when working as a sysadmin.

12:19:31 <onefang> That's the goal, but there's something wrong with the image I want to spin up in qemu, but the older image is fine. SO this is part of backup / trouble shooting.

12:20:31 <onefang> I have the older image that works copied out to ext4, now working on the new one that doesn't work. Then I can point proper linux tool sat the problem.

12:21:19 <onefang> Somehow I doubt the two png files ntfs-3g had issues with is what is stopping it from booting.

12:23:43 <gnarface> i don't think there's a fsck.ntfs but i'm not sure

12:43:29 <u-amarsh04> I used the kernel mode ntfs in recent kernels for a while

12:44:17 <onefang> I'm using the chimaera-backports kernel, which got updated on this box to kernel 6.0 this morning.

12:45:07 <u-amarsh04> but the lack of a free kernel mode fsck.ntfs put me off, and so I use EXFAT where there needs to portability between my pc's running devuan and devices like the media players built in to televisions and blu-ray disk players

12:45:26 <onefang> ntfs-33 is a FUSE thing, so kernel module might work better.

12:48:43 <onefang> This Windows partition started life 15 years ago as Windows 8.1 standard install image for a company I was the sysadmin for. So it was the standard company install that I ran on a qemu VM. Then I stopped working for them, but another company wanted me to do development on Windows 8, so the previous compyany let me keep the license.

12:48:51 <u-amarsh04> from what I can see there was only one small patch to kernel mode ntfs after 6.0 kernel came out and it had not had any changes for quite a while before that

12:49:37 <onefang> The new dev stuff was for VR, so I needed to move the VM to real hardware, which worked surprisingly well. NOw I'm moving it back to aVM, but I want to keep all the new stuff.

12:50:38 <onefang> Coz there's new dev job coming up where a Windows 10 VM might be needed. So I want to VM the newest Windows partition from my other computer, then upgrade it before 8.1 EOls in January.

12:51:14 <u-amarsh04> I corrupted an old external Seagate drive that was manufacturer formatted to NTFS and fortunately Seagate did a free data recovery which recovered almost all of the data (just needed to run some scripts to reset file dates)

12:51:17 <onefang> Buuuut, old VM worked fine, copied from other computer image refuses to boot in qemu.

12:52:52 <u-amarsh04> hmm... just had a mystery where kcompactd0 was at close to 100 percent of one CPU core's time and mysteriously stopped again

13:00:22 <u-amarsh04> ...or was in some kind of interaction with some user space program resulting in memory thrashing

13:01:45 <onefang> It heard about my problem soaking up 3 x 12 GB of RAM just dealing with the error message, and thrashed your memory in sympathy?

13:05:21 <u-amarsh04> hehehe, no, just me doing things like using firefox with over a thousand tabs to stress test things

16:48:36 <onefang> So much for that idea. No NTFS module compiled into chimaera-backports kernel.

17:29:45 * onefang tries something scary. dd the partition image into the old qcow2 mounted by qemu-nbd.

17:37:36 <gnarface> i was gonna suggest maybe you could try hexedit and just search for png headers

17:38:31 <gnarface> maybe with some luck you could then just copy the file out manually

17:41:37 <gnarface> oh, i thought this was all about just recovering two png files

17:41:58 <onefang> A resolution dependant down arrow for a resolution I'm not gonna be using.

17:43:29 <onefang> No the point of all of this is to move back to a qemu VM the old Windows 8.1 VM I had moved to real hardware, and keep all the changes I had made after the original move.

17:46:39 <onefang> Scroll up for the details I was sharing with u-amarsh04.

17:47:43 <onefang> Though the "started life 15 years ago" is wrong, it started in 2015. lol

18:21:23 <TorC> As part of my recent upgrade to Beowulf, Brave browser now seems to default to uploading from recent files, instead of from last directory.

18:22:00 <TorC> This is extremely aggravating when trying to sequentially upload often old files from a given deep location.

18:22:55 <TorC> Anyonk know if this is a coincident Brave issue, or something in the new KDE, or more usefully, how to fix it so it again defaults to uploading from the last uploaded from directory?

19:33:54 <caronte> do we have any news from the dev team? Last tweet was from one year ago and the official website doesn´t seems updated

19:36:55 <onefang> Like the stuff about the weekly meetings that is published in the mailing list for instance?

19:38:06 <onefang> Didn't know we had a twitter account, but neither do I.

19:39:46 <onefang> And last change to the web site was a couple of weeks ago I think.

19:53:17 <caronte> onefang: thank you! I'm gonna subscribe! Forgot about that

19:54:17 <onefang> Oh wait, the dev meeting minutes is published on the devuan-dev mailing list.

19:54:50 <onefang> But us devs hang out here and on the mailing lists, answering questions when we can, etc.

20:14:39 <caronte> onefang: wow! Sorry if I sounded rude. Not my intention

20:18:43 <onefang> You can offer to help, and which ever dev team members deal with whatever it is you want to help with should respond soonish.

20:21:34 <onefang> Though we are all over the world, so you might have to wait for someone to wake up and get around to reading the latest stuff.

20:41:19 <markizano> LoL, was gonna say "for ex... I just lurk and answer questions b/c I'm a Debian fan who appreciates what team does here to maintain a version of systemd-less Debian around."

20:58:53 <caronte> onefang: thank you! And sorry for late, was lunchtime :) Have a great weekend!

21:09:50 <onefang> It's Friday night here, I should start my weekend now. B-)

23:54:19 <treeofknowledge1> Hi guys. I ran this command below and i think it messed up the dkms and now Iam experiencing a login loop. someone help please!sudo su

23:54:27 <treeofknowledge1> --copy all the down lines to the command----

23:54:29 <treeofknowledge1> git clone "https://github.com/RinCat/RTL88x2BU-Linux-Driver.git" /usr/src/rtl88x2bu-git

23:54:31 <treeofknowledge1> sed -i 's/PACKAGE_VERSION="@PKGVER@"/PACKAGE_VERSION="git"/g' /usr/src/rtl88x2bu-git/dkms.conf

23:54:40 <treeofknowledge1> basically i was trying to install the drive for a wifi dongle

23:55:41 <treeofknowledge1> it seems i might have to rebuild dkms as shown here but I dont know how to open a terminal to do it on devuan

23:55:42 <treeofknowledge1> https://askubuntu.com/questions/53364/command-to-rebuild-all-dkms-modules-for-all-installed-kernels

00:06:36 <treeofknowledge1> before i restarted it was saying my disk was full as well and this isn't true

00:07:05 <treeofknowledge1> i wonder if this is why i can't login to my account. the screen turns black as if it's going to login but then it doesn't

00:09:46 <tux12> treeofknowledge1: may be the disk is out of inodes? check with df -i

00:10:23 <treeofknowledge1> how do i open a terminal from the login screen on devuan

00:26:00 <treeofknowledge1> please let me know as i work on tuesday and need to get this fixed by then :O

00:36:33 <fluffywolf> ctrl-alt-f1 should work. you can try booting with init=/bin/sh, but you'll have a very minimal system when you do that.

01:10:45 <treeofknowledge1> on the login screen ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work :/

01:13:16 <gnarface> not sure in which version but in some version they moved the X11 instance to f1

01:16:31 <FatPhil> I like having 11 virtual terminals so I put vt12 in my /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers, not sure how other display managers are configured.

01:16:32 <fsmithred> There should be a boot menu entry for single-user mode, called recovery or rescue, I think.

01:18:27 <FatPhil> top tip - always have a bootable USB stick for emergency situations. typically the installation media will suffice.

01:24:32 <treeofknowledge1> Ok so I have a bootable usb and i used to to use the command line from root

01:24:48 <treeofknowledge1> i typed dkms and it says the previous packages were added but i still have the boot loop

01:25:48 <treeofknowledge1> im going to try to make a new usb with the live one and see if i can delete some files from the ssd to see if that works because it says the space is full even though this isn't true

01:26:51 <treeofknowledge1> does anyone know the right commands to rebuild the dkms packages

01:28:17 <FatPhil> Regarding space - make sure you're checking the right filesystem. ``df'' with no parameters will tell you about all of them, of course.

01:50:16 <treeofknowledge1> when i type dkms status it says the nvidia driver is installed and the package I don't want (rtl88x2bu 5.6.1) is added

01:51:04 <treeofknowledge1> when i type dkms uninstall -m rtl88x2bu -v 5.6.1 it says "this module is not currently active for kernal 5.10.0.9-amd.64

01:51:21 <treeofknowledge1> when i run sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade it says i don't have enough disk space

01:51:52 <treeofknowledge1> so some how the installation went wrong with the wifi dongle for rtl88x2bu yesterday and caused my system to have some type of disk space error

01:52:10 <treeofknowledge1> so im making a new usb with desktop live, will boot in, and try to delete some files

01:52:38 <treeofknowledge1> reboot and see if it lets me login without the login loop

01:53:46 <treeofknowledge1> i think the lack of disk space is causing my computer to be unable to login

01:54:02 <fsmithred> that would do it for sure. Been there, done that.

01:55:01 <treeofknowledge1> and thanks for the quick response on this thanksgiving holiday

01:55:14 <rwp> Regarding disks space, as others have said check for being out of inodes with "df -i".

01:56:00 <rwp> Every file uses at least one inode. Sometimes there will be a godzillian files created by error each one zero bytes. Created until the file system runs out of inodes. Creating this problem.

01:58:20 <treeofknowledge1> running df -i under "IUse%" gives me 1% for /dev/nvme0n1p2 and 1% for /dev/nvme0n1p1

01:58:40 <treeofknowledge1> i don't lol but it seemed to create files for all the apps i had installed

01:58:55 <rwp> That's the device node name on the left side of df. What's the file system name on the right side of df output?

01:58:58 <treeofknowledge1> i will try the live disk once its done downloading in a couple of minutes

01:59:30 <treeofknowledge1> no file system lol, maybe because i logged in using root

02:00:08 <rwp> df will work for both root and non-root okay. But logging in as root will allow a login when non-root fails due to resource constraints.

02:00:47 <rwp> If you are able to log in with root then that should be more than sufficient and you won't *need* the live boot. Fix things with the root login.

02:02:36 <treeofknowledge1> i don't know how to delete files to create disk space in the root login

02:03:03 <rwp> Oh, when you saw 100% on that /dev entry you must have been looking at /dev which is an pseudo file system in kernel memory. It's not real disk space. It's always 100%.

02:04:36 <rwp> treeofknowledge1, First thing you need to do is to locate where the disk space is used.

02:05:21 <rwp> If you are logged in as root the first thing I would try that is very safe is "apt-get clean" which will remove locally copied .deb files from /var/cache/apt which can sometimes be a lot of cached but temporary disk space.

02:05:47 <rwp> And then see how much space was free'd up. That might be sufficient to get things working again.

02:08:45 <rwp> Humorously I look around my collection for examples and find that my laptop is 100% full too and I need to free up disk space there. I hadn't noticed either.

02:10:45 <rwp> The tool I like the best for finding disk space being used is "ncdu" the du with ncurses interface.

02:10:59 <treeofknowledge1> it didn't clear anything. any other commands I can try?

02:11:01 <rwp> I run it in my home directory just as "ncdu" and then can browse to see what I did.

02:11:23 <rwp> From root I look at the entire system "ncdu -x /" and look at the entire system.

02:11:35 <rwp> But of course you won't be able to install it if the disk is full. But for next time.

02:12:20 <rwp> In your non-root home directory try "du -sh" and see what total disk space it says you are using.

02:12:54 <rwp> That's the disk-usage command, -s give a summary, -h in human readable units.

02:13:41 <rwp> And how large is the file system of /home itself? "df /home"

02:14:24 <treeofknowledge1> to delete some movies and see if it lets me login

02:14:55 <rwp> Right. But in the other column it will say how much is available. Example: "/dev/mapper/v4-root 150G 143G 293M 100% /" Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

02:15:30 <rwp> That's my full file system with Size:150G Used:143G Avail:293M

02:15:43 <treeofknowledge1> it doesn't say anything else more specific just all the blocks

02:17:48 <treeofknowledge1> im gonna delete some stuff using the live cd

02:18:25 <rwp> I might use "find . -size +100M -ls | sort -k7,7n | tail" to list files larger than 100MB in size and just show me the largest of them.

02:20:40 <rwp> That uses find to find files by criteria, larger than 100MB, give an ls-like listing, sort numerically that by the size column -k7,7n, and just show me the largest end.

02:21:41 <FatPhil> Maybe also use du|sort -n to find the directories where there might be a whole load of medium-sized files. clear your caches.

02:24:43 <rwp> In my case what filled it up was slow increase in the total size of me downloading audio files. But easiest space to free up was a few install dvd iso files.

02:25:05 <treeofknowledge1> when i log in to live cd and right click the home folder of the nvme it says its 100% full even after deleting files

02:25:53 <rwp> It makes me nervous that you refer to it as the folder of the nvme because that is the device which holds the file system and not the contents of the file system.

02:26:13 <rwp> fstrim is not a disk space thing. Will never have any effect on disk space.

02:26:51 <rwp> fstrim can improve the efficiency of flash storage by allowing the device to know more about what it is storing, and that some of it isn't being used.

02:26:55 <treeofknowledge1> i opened the encrypted nvme and deleted some files from the downloads folder of my user account

02:27:48 <rwp> That sounds good. And you mentioned they were movies? I would guess that deleting even one movie would be enough to move from 100% to at least 99%.

02:28:02 <rwp> Which again makes me nervous that we aren't looking at the right things.

02:29:16 <rwp> A DVD type of movie would typically consume 5-7GB of space. A compressed movie downloaded for portable viewing might be around 1GB in size.

02:31:59 <treeofknowledge1> it starts logging in but then shoots me back into the login scree

02:32:37 <treeofknowledge1> how can i delete files from the dkms folder?

02:33:10 <treeofknowledge1> apt -y install dkms - this is what installed all my files and messed this up i guess

02:33:14 <rwp> You said you can login as root on the text console? Try logging in as you on the text console instead. It might display the errors and the errors would be informative.

02:33:50 <treeofknowledge1> i'll try going into there and see if there's files i can delete

02:34:31 <rwp> Simply installing dkms is not going to be a problem preventing you from logging in. But if you created /apps and then git cloned very large things there then yes that could be the source of the problem.

02:35:01 <rwp> I don't use dkms myself and don't know how to drive it.

02:41:05 <treeofknowledge1> hmm how can i navigate to /apps folder using the live cd

02:41:16 <treeofknowledge1> the xfce doesn't let me search for files in an easy way

02:46:46 <rwp> Where did you mount the file system using the live-cd? Maybe /mnt? If so then "cd /mnt" will go there.

02:49:34 <treeofknowledge1> i just feel like doing a fresh install -.-4

02:49:57 <rwp> If you just booted a live-cd then your system's disk will not be mounted. Since you have not yet mounted it.

02:50:14 <treeofknowledge1> how can i access the files i git cloned if the cd /apps

02:50:33 <treeofknowledge1> and xfce doesn't have an easy way to search files

02:50:48 <rwp> This is where the debian-install image is good, because it has a "rescue mode" that will guide you through it.

02:57:19 <treeofknowledge1> do u know how to enable copying to a encrypted file drive after opneing it on this desktoplive cd

02:57:42 <rwp> I haven't ever booted that image so I will have to guess. Perhaps others will have more specific help.

02:57:58 <rwp> Also I don't use the graphical file managers so it's difficult for me to describe what one would do there.

02:58:39 <rwp> But you are able to click and open the files there and it asks you for the encryption key and all of that works?

02:59:54 <rwp> If so then great! You should be able to see how much disk space is in use in /apps and then work with it. Work with it in some graphical way for which I have no clue.

02:59:58 <treeofknowledge1> but i can't copy files to it because i don't know how to open location as root

03:00:37 <treeofknowledge1> yes but i cant find the /apps folder because the thunar file manager doesn't have a serach function

03:00:51 <treeofknowledge1> i already deleted some dvds and it didn't work on boot

03:01:01 <rwp> No clue. I am completely useless in the graphical interface. But let me know if you open a text terminal.

03:01:01 <treeofknowledge1> so it seems i need to delete the /apps folder taht was git cloned

03:01:30 <treeofknowledge1> how can i find the /apps folder lol using the terminal xD

03:02:09 <rwp> The prompt on the left side is usually a clue. Run "id" and see what it says for direct information.

03:02:31 <rwp> If it is non-root then run "su -" to become the root user.

03:02:53 <rwp> Run "df -h" to see what is currently mounted. Since you have already viewed the encrypted file system then it must already be mounted.

03:03:25 <rwp> It might be mounted at /mnt already. If so then good. Change directory there with "cd /mnt". Look with "ls -l" ("ll" is typically available shortcut)

03:03:43 <rwp> If /apps is there then "cd /mnt/apps" or "cd apps" would change directory there.

03:03:51 <rwp> Then again "du -sh" would list how much disk space is used.

03:04:03 <rwp> Then "ls -l" (or "ll") will long list the files in that directory.

03:04:17 <treeofknowledge1> welll idk how the password for the desktop-live iso for enableing root

03:04:22 <rwp> If you have git cloned several large repositories there then those might be why the disk partition is filled up.

03:04:56 <rwp> Try "sudo -i" instead of "su -" and it will ask for a different password. It will ask for the user's password instead of the root password.

03:05:42 <rwp> Good. It means they configured the live-desktop to not need a password for sudo. Good.

03:09:16 <treeofknowledge1> those gitcloned files needed to be deleted

03:09:32 <treeofknowledge1> it says 456 gb total 445 free and 0 available

03:14:54 <treeofknowledge1> --- /dev/mapper/devuanrig--vg-root 456G 445G 0 100% /media/devuan/43f43d31-8e28-412a-92ec-2b5bc5c7e19d

03:15:09 <treeofknowledge1> look it's size is 456 gb and its used 445 gb

03:16:02 <rwp> I can see that paste okay. Looks like your file system is mounted at /media/devuan/43f43d31-8e28-412a-92ec-2b5bc5c7e19d.

03:16:19 <rwp> So you should be able to "cd /media/devuan/43f43d31-8e28-412a-92ec-2b5bc5c7e19d" okay.

03:17:02 <rwp> The live-desktop is using the UUID of the file system as the mount point.

03:19:03 <treeofknowledge1> i deleted more files until it showed 3 gb of free space

03:19:13 <treeofknowledge1> now to find the git cloned files and delete them

03:22:25 <treeofknowledge1> do you know a good disk analyzer app that can view files so i can find those git cloned files

03:23:08 <rwp> There is nothing magical about git working copies that needs a "file analyzer" to view them. Just use "ls" and "ls -l" and "ls -la".

03:23:40 <rwp> Git stores the upstream information in a .git/ directory. Since it starts with a dot that file will be a hidden file. Hidden files are viewed with -a.

03:24:15 <rwp> But again if you are asking about graphical tools... Sorry but I have no clue. I use the command line tools since those are more powerful.

03:24:40 <rwp> The graphical tools are captured user interfaces created by someone to do specific safe tasks.

03:25:14 <rwp> But they can't ever know what problems I will have created for myself and will not be able to create a way to fix things they don't know about.

03:26:29 <treeofknowledge1> lol it basically copied my entire downloads in there

06:06:56 <Afdal> Anyone else have a bunch of junk in filesystem root put there by pulseaudio that normally belongs in $HOME ?

06:07:20 <Afdal> I only just noticed this but apparently these files have been around for a while. Perhaps since I first installed Chimaera in fact.

06:09:47 <Afdal> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1031156-start-0.html

06:42:08 <newdevusr> I am a new user with a clean install of the testing branch (Daedalus). I am using pulse audio on two machines. I do not see anything that indicates a problem with the filesystem (pulse or otherwise)

06:44:25 <Afdal> you don't see a /.cache/, /.config/pulse/ and /pulse/ at filesystem root?

06:45:00 <Afdal> guess it wasn't the Devuan installer that did it then

06:54:56 <newdevusr> Afdal - a google search and I think you are looking at "Libcanberra" caching files... i dont know what that is but i suspect it is expected behavior if you are looking at the files that say "event-sound-cache...."

06:55:59 <DPA> I had /pulse/, but no . files. (I've bootstrapped this install manually, though).

07:12:08 <newdevusr> i used a "minimal" x11 install and used apt to install pulse after the setup and user setup was complete...this disro is pretty impressive letting you pick your own display server, sound server and still being so easy to setup

07:45:22 <golinux> newdevusr: FWIW . . . it is more common for this crowd to remove pulse rather than install it. apulse works a treat . . . :)