#devuan

19:01:38 <Guest87> Can I use apt-mirror on Ubuntu to create a mirror of the repository for Devuan?

19:35:07 <fsmithred> Guest87, maybe this will help: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt

19:44:56 <Guest87> How do I do that without Step 2? Can I ftpsync deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/?

19:45:29 <fsmithred> sorry, I have no idea how to do it.

19:47:11 <fsmithred> Guest87, do you want to set up a public mirror or a private mirror?

19:48:16 <Guest87> I want to setup a Private Mirror.

19:50:04 <fsmithred> onefang would be the person who would know the answer.

19:50:16 <golinux> Guest87: Are you aware that most of the repo comes directly from Debian?

19:50:25 <golinux> https://git.devuan.org/devuan/amprolla3

19:50:44 <golinux> Yeah . . . talk to onefang

19:51:02 <fsmithred> you might need to run amprolla locally. I know that aitor does that.

19:54:03 <rwp> I always used to maintain a full local mirror, until Debian got so very large. Now I am using apt-cacher-ng. Which only freaks out every other week or so.

20:04:25 <Guest87> Yes. I want to update the OS and the other software I use. 600GB is too large.

22:45:24 <systemdlete> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: warning: Couldn't find physical volume `pv1'. Some modules may be missing from core

22:45:37 <systemdlete> (sorry for mis-fire there...)

22:46:06 <systemdlete> the only place I see references to pv1 are in /etc/lvm/backup and /etc/lvm/archive

22:46:42 <systemdlete> It is no longer an active pv. In fact, I think I changed this when I installed, but I am not sure.

22:46:55 <systemdlete> Please don't tell me not to worry about it.

22:46:59 <systemdlete> I am NOT worried about it.

22:47:16 <systemdlete> But it might be pointing to some code that needs clean-up somewhere deep in the system.

22:48:01 <systemdlete> And, no, there are no modules missing from core. Because I am running lvm without incident currently.

22:48:36 <systemdlete> I think pv1 might have gotten renamed shortly after installing devuan.

22:49:23 <systemdlete> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650724 talks about this a bit.

22:50:02 <systemdlete> (the last message posted to this bug was in 2014.)

23:43:22 <xrogaan> whenever I upgrade the linux kernel, apparmor sneaks in. Is there a way to forbid that package from being installed?

23:46:42 <xrogaan> For some reason, it's installed as recommendation. So --no-install-recommends would work. It's just that I thought that I disabled that behavior.

00:21:07 <gnarface> there is a way to disable recommends from the config file, it should mention it in the man page

00:21:23 <gnarface> but there's also a way to prevent installation of specific packages through apt pinning

02:30:26 <loosh[m]> https://www.intel.in/content/www/in/en/support/articles/000008927/software/chipset-software.html

02:31:29 <loosh[m]> i cant turn this off because i cant go to the lower abstraction realm from the higher abstraction environment of linux

08:56:31 <aitor> Guest87: you don't need to host the whole repository

09:01:48 <aitor> I'm developing a new alsamixer in Gtk, and the program is well advanced

09:02:53 <aitor> I shall call it `gmixer`, maybe

13:55:43 <gnarface> anyone know how to get vlc to stop launching maximized?

13:57:43 <gnarface> nevermind... fucking creepy it just stopped doing it and the only thing i changed was asking here

13:57:50 <fsmithred> here it opens to whatever size it was when I closed it

13:58:00 <gnarface> yea it used to, then it wasn't, then it was again

13:58:07 <gnarface> some fuckery is afoot

13:58:22 <lts-> Did you try a search engine with something like "vlc launch maximized"? Though I don't think Devuan has any specialized vlc so you should probably ask from #vlc (if that is a real channel)

13:58:23 * fsmithred watched gnarface's paranoia level shoot through the roof

13:59:11 <gnarface> maybe the config file got corrupted and .... uncorrupted itself just now somehow

13:59:58 <fsmithred> I get a lot of those on a trackpad

14:00:18 <gnarface> i mean, i was clicking through the menus but there's no clear evidence of why it suddenly worked, this was a problem for weeks

14:00:49 <gnarface> the console output is noisy though, if there was evidence in there i would have missed it

14:01:00 <gnarface> bzcat: I/O or other error, bailing out. Possible reason follows.

14:08:45 <gnarface> eh, it's fine now but mplayer also broke

14:09:02 <gnarface> specifically, this no longer works: mplayer -vc ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,ffhevcvdpau,ffh264vdpau,ffodivxvdpau [file]

14:09:27 <fsmithred> which version of vlc? I see that I'm one behind in daedalus.

14:10:14 <gnarface> well, vlc 3.0.17.4-4+b1 now, but it was also happening on the previous one

14:10:26 <gnarface> i had updated first to see if that'd fix anything and initially it did not

14:10:36 <gnarface> so it was weirder when it suddenly did

14:11:26 <gnarface> i'm wondering if it may actually be some weird misbehavior in enlightenment or efreetd or something like that... stale cache?

14:11:31 <gnarface> not sure if that can happen

15:01:28 <gnarface> hmm, i think there was a regression in thunderbird too, i think it's no longer properly recognizing local certificate authorities

15:59:54 <gnarface> ugh, nevermind, just found a way to downgrade

16:00:10 <gnarface> don't upgrade to thunderbird 102, apparently there's lots of problems with it

16:04:11 * brocashelm already upgraded to 102

16:04:20 <brocashelm> haven't noticed any issues so far

16:05:15 <brocashelm> there is 104 in experimental if fixes have been made

16:07:34 <brocashelm> running just fine on ceres

16:08:20 <rwp> I have replaced all use of mplayer here with mpv and find mpv to be a good replacement for mplayer.

16:09:03 <rwp> Being a fork the historical options are all shared the same but some of the newer options have diverged between the two programs.

16:10:03 <brocashelm> i switched to mpv long ago. it's quite flexible

16:10:09 <rwp> I could never figure out vlc (or cvlc) to launch it effectively to do what I wanted without then having to chase menu items with the mouse, driving me to mpv.

16:11:59 <rwp> As far as Thunderbird is concerned... Let me report that Mutt continues to work excellently! A short glitch with Bug#1009791 but fixed quickly. :-)

16:16:48 <onefang> I had to revert to ASCII neomutt, which is called mutt back then, due to increasing bugs that ASCII didn't have.

16:20:35 <rwp> I have a similar problem with kvm and virt-viewer for an old VM image. I had to go back to Stretch (aka ASCII) in order to restore a working version.

16:23:04 <brocashelm> rwp: one of my favorite mpv tricks is to run it in tty mode

16:29:06 <gnarface> suspecting the mplayer issue is something to do with vdpau breakage

16:29:26 <gnarface> vlc complains about it too but doesn't seem to have the same framerate problem without it

16:29:29 <gnarface> not sure what's up with that

16:29:39 <gnarface> i picked a bad day to upgrade

16:30:28 <gnarface> the thunderbird issue is specifically to do with my local certificate authority, but it shows up in the list so i'm not sure what's broken

16:30:43 <gnarface> but then i went looking and apparently people on reddit are having all kinds of other issues with it too

16:31:01 <gnarface> someone mentioned you can downgrade with "thunderbird --allow-downgrade commandline"

16:31:17 <gnarface> seems to have worked though it jacked up all my sorting columns

16:32:04 <gnarface> thunderbird keeps getting worse, i'm more tempted to switch to something else now than ever before

16:32:10 <gnarface> this shit is a joke non stop

16:32:31 <gnarface> launch time has also been skyrocketing with each release

16:33:05 <gnarface> and then you go look on google for the problems and you see the same bugs reported and fixed again going back almost a decade

16:33:09 <gnarface> it's like they're running in circles

16:33:42 <gnarface> oh but the fucking directory icons are in color now... ooooh!

16:42:20 <rwp> brocashelm, Using aalib is a pretty fun feature!

16:43:18 * rwp also laments that I haven't had an "upgrade" in years. Every new release breaks two things for every one thing it fixes.

16:44:13 <rwp> If I want to run something newer than ASCII/Stretch for virt-viewer I guess I am going to need to build it myself and figure out what they broke with it.

16:49:33 <golinux> rwp: I just said goodby to jessie about a month ago. Chimaera has been painful GTK3 and CSD and skinny bars for starts . . .

16:58:49 <brocashelm> i was having issues running thunderbird profiles on a different gpu (same system) that would crash the program (same as firefox), so i've appended the --allow-downgrade to my launcher

16:59:21 <brocashelm> the problem is there are no viable graphical e-mail clients aside from thunderbird (a fork would work wonders)

17:00:01 <brocashelm> i've tried claws mail and evolution, but they were quite lacking as i like having multiple e-mails and with their own configs

17:00:21 <brocashelm> there is that betterbird fork i posted about long ago, but seemed shady

17:00:43 <brocashelm> i think we have plenty of browsers to play around with, so now maybe we can look into mail clients?

17:01:41 <gnarface> i concur thunderbird needs a fork

17:02:09 <gnarface> for a while i really liked it

17:02:15 <brocashelm> it used to be great

17:02:16 <gnarface> i would basically just want everything put back to then

17:02:24 <brocashelm> the problem isn't firefox or thunderbird; it's mozilla

17:02:42 <brocashelm> and mozilla answers to google >_<

17:03:08 <brocashelm> that's part of why most browsers are chromium-based if you don't want firefox-based

17:03:16 <gnarface> the irony is not lost on me that their mascot/logo is literally "the monster we created"

17:04:02 <brocashelm> we need to do better than firefox forks, netsurf, pale moon, otter, etc.

17:04:20 <brocashelm> i do use librewolf if i _must_ use something directly firefucked

17:05:02 <brocashelm> shame debian/devuan doesn't have it in their repos as it would be a much better default browser by far

18:20:39 <golinux> brocashelm: No one is preventing you from packaging it and putting it in Devuan's git