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19:42:41 <fsmithred> thanks for reminding me to start darkening my desktop
19:43:33 <fsmithred> I don't let redshift run automatically. I set it (semi)manually with a script.
19:44:13 <fsmithred> redshift -o -P -O "$TEMP" -b "0.${BRIGHT}"
20:00:58 <Xenguy> I had no idea there was this community of redshift users, right in our midst : -)
20:01:08 <Xenguy> Only heard of it today
20:12:35 <fsmithred> I think a few people posted their scripts on the forum.
20:12:41 <fsmithred> I'll find a link.
20:22:44 <fsmithred> or not.
20:28:35 <rrq> perhaps the earlist was https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1454#1454
20:33:40 <fsmithred> that's probably the one I was thinking of, but I guess I remember it differently.
20:36:32 <Xenguy> Thanks folks
20:37:23 <rrq> most recently https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3420
20:38:03 <rrq> all in all there are 15 topics mentioning redshift
20:38:42 <rrq> four of them have redshift in the subject
20:48:38 <Xenguy> Odd, you'd think mentioning the keyword in the subject field might be a good idea
20:49:54 <blockhead> too radical, too extreme ;)
20:50:12 <Xenguy> "So Nineties" , hahah
20:50:37 <Xenguy> Oops, the slippery OT slope!
20:51:31 <blockhead> well, redshift is part of debian/devuan I would guess? (guess becuase I don't actually use it myself)
20:52:33 * rrq reminds me that that "search" feature of the forum could well benefit from a little bit of gilding
20:52:38 <Xenguy> It's in the repo, I checked
20:59:52 <golinux> rrq: Yes, it is quite crude
21:00:31 <golinux> Doesn't do phrases iirc.
21:00:55 <golinux> and no regex
21:05:42 <lfluffywof> I wish ebay's search let you use regexes... they don't even let you use wildcards anymore. but at least it's ten thousand times better than amazon's!
21:09:51 <_ds_> If they did that, it wouldn't be long before somebody tried an extremely computationally-intensive one…
21:10:34 <onefang> Unless ebay is running on Devuan, that's #devuan-offtopic.
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01:07:34 <gour> morning. my sound setting are reset each day when i boot my desktop machine and wonder how to make changes permanent?
01:09:32 <debdog> gour: probably missing package alsa-utils
02:38:17 <gour> debdog: alsa-utils is installed. anything else?
02:38:24 * gour is using ceres
02:46:10 <debdog> gour: not from the top of my head. look in /etc/init.d/alsa-utils what it's supposed to do. check log whether it's executed during shutdown/reboot and startup
02:49:20 <debdog> also, are we talking alsa or pulseaudio sound?
02:50:20 <debdog> sorry no clue
04:45:20 <chomwitt> good morning.. devuan rocks
04:46:00 <chomwitt> i have it in my pc for two months with LXQT , and as a small vps.
04:46:35 <chomwitt> sorry , i should say devuan+runit+LXQt.
05:34:35 <gnarface> congrats, chomwitt
06:39:13 <ham5urg> Yes, chomwitt, I have a similar experience. I switched from Devuan+Gnome to Devuan+Xfce. I was many years with Gnome but Wayland is a desertland.
06:40:38 <ham5urg> I tested the battery drain laptops with Ubuntu+Gnome, Devuan+Gnome, Devuan+Xfce. I would approximate that there is a 25% less battery-drain with every combination.
06:40:51 <ham5urg> with laptops*
07:19:06 <chomwitt> Well, i had year debian + kde . The problem is.. that added functionality hits back many times with issues so complex that leave you to unmaintained land..
07:19:23 <chomwitt> year-years
07:20:31 <chomwitt> i think some times in libreland we want to flight.. but alas it resembles the icarus one.
07:22:49 <chomwitt> Anyway the battery-drain is maybe another syptom of overdoing it in not so rock foundations
07:24:58 <chomwitt> i guess your are referring to drain from casual usage and not idle
07:27:28 <ham5urg> chomwitt, yes, casual usage, office work.
07:59:51 <buZz> chomwitt / ham5urg ; its the old intel-microsoft law
08:00:01 <buZz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law
08:00:23 <buZz> basically 'any faster cpus we will get, will only make software complexer to the point that you wont notice them getting faster, ever'
08:00:39 <buZz> which is why i run fluxbox as WM, no DE at all
08:04:55 <blockhead> the thing is, are CPUs getting faster any more?
08:07:53 <buZz> look at raw math, not gaming fps or windows startup speeds
08:08:01 <chomwitt> i think the trend is to add more transistors each year
08:08:10 <buZz> more transistors is more complexity
08:08:15 * blockhead ponders speed of light and size of chip
08:08:15 <buZz> not more sophistication
08:08:42 <buZz> every added instruction adds thousands if not millions of transistors
08:08:50 <buZz> AMD and intel both keep adding them like no tomorrow
08:08:57 <buZz> x86 is dead since IBM AT
08:09:08 <buZz> we are just beating a dead horse because 'we already invested into it'
08:09:14 * onefang thinks this conversation is getting more #devuan-offtopic.
08:09:24 <blockhead> onefang - sorry
08:09:25 <buZz> blockhead: yeah, how many ARM desktops do you have?
08:09:37 <buZz> i confused this channel for ##hardware
08:53:40 <_ds_> buZz, some of us have used (and still own) ARM desktop boxes – old Acorn hardware
08:56:59 <_ds_> Not going to get Devuan, or anything even remotely recent (except, perhaps, updated RISC OS builds), running on them…
09:41:23 <gour> i want to creat a new association for certain types of files to be opened with specific apps using certain argument. what tools are avaialble for such task?
09:44:08 <gnarface> shell alias or wrapper script
09:44:23 <gnarface> stock bash features
09:45:15 <gour> gnarface: well, i'd nee that it works via xdg-open mechanism
09:45:32 <gour> like clickable links
09:46:01 <gnarface> dunno enough about xdg stuff sorry
09:46:10 <gnarface> sounds like you're looking for a feature built into those tools though
09:46:10 <gour> so, i0m thinking about some xdg-utils helper
09:47:05 <gour> yeag, but they're, like many other things, not very user-friendly
10:07:17 <_ds_> https://github.com/dsalt/xkcd-uri may be helpful
10:09:05 <chomwitt> i've installed a kde utility in Chimaera Filelight and it messed my default filebrowser. No when in others programs i click a button filelights opens!
10:09:33 <chomwitt> i have LXQt as desktop
10:10:40 <gnarface> i think you can change it through the alternatives estup
10:10:40 <gnarface> setup*
10:10:40 <chomwitt> i can find the relevant link group
10:10:40 <gnarface> apt-cache showpkg [package name]
10:10:52 <gnarface> it should be the value of the what provides header
10:12:08 <chomwitt> that header is blank
10:14:16 <chomwitt> x-window-manager maybe is the related linkgroup
10:14:28 <gnarface> i don't think that'd be the file browser
10:14:41 <gnarface> that's the actual thing drawing all the window controls
10:14:57 <gnarface> i would guess it would start with x- though
10:15:03 <chomwitt> There is only one alternative in link group x-window-manager
10:15:45 <chomwitt> yep , you are rigth.. i want file manager..
10:16:36 <gnarface> ls -l /etc/alternatives |grep filelight
10:16:37 <gnarface> maybe?
10:16:46 <chomwitt> $ update-alternatives --get-selections | grep fileligth
10:16:52 <chomwitt> blank
10:17:12 <gnarface> huh, maybe it's at the lxqt level then
10:17:21 <chomwitt> maybe
10:17:25 <_ds_> … filelig th ?
10:18:06 <gnarface> yea that's a typo...
10:18:15 <gnarface> did you paste that?
10:19:07 <chomwitt> ok i fixed the typu
10:19:21 <chomwitt> typo but still blank
10:20:06 <chomwitt> LXQt has an alternatives gui utility but mirrors update-alternatives
10:21:02 <gnarface> you sure it didn't remove the other one?
10:21:55 <gnarface> if it did, then installing it again should remove this one in turn
10:22:43 <fsmithred> in xfce, I have ~/.config/mimeapps.list which lists file types associated with specific applications to open them.
10:23:15 <fsmithred> The applications are listed as .desktop files, so I assume you could edit the .desktop file for the Exec line to contain the command with options you want.
10:23:16 <chomwitt> gnarface, what other one?
10:23:54 <gnarface> chomwitt: the filebrowser that was the previous default
10:24:29 <gnarface> i don't know for sure that they're not mutually exclusive
10:24:41 <gnarface> just a sanity check
10:25:16 <chomwitt> gnarface, do you mean remove the updates-alt entry or the whole package as a conflict?
10:25:46 <gnarface> i meant the whole package
10:26:28 <chomwitt> fsmithred, i am readiing mimeapps.list but small contentl 20 lines and nothing relative i think
10:27:20 <fsmithred> if you right-click on a file, Open with, Other application, and set that other app as default, a line will be added to the list.
10:27:55 <fsmithred> in xfce settings, I see Preferred Applications, and file-manager can be set. I don't know if lxqt has similar.
10:28:18 <fsmithred> if it always defaults to the last file manager you installed, then reinstall the one you want.
10:28:44 <chomwitt> fsmithred, xmm,, fileligth has added it self to the 'open with' rigth click menu
10:29:12 <fsmithred> there should be a way to choose something else
10:31:01 <chomwitt> it was in LXQT 's File associatios utility. There filelight has become the default file manager
10:32:10 <chomwitt> ok, fsmithred gnarface thanks.
10:33:13 <gnarface> well fsmithred is the one that actually helped but you're welcome :)
10:33:30 <chomwitt> i guess it was more of a LXQT issue but if during installation that happened automatically it could be sth to be reported to a package manager?
10:34:25 <chomwitt> i dont think i was asked for such a change.
10:34:36 <chomwitt> yesterday i installed it
10:34:37 <fsmithred> another issue with lxqt install is if you select multiple desktop environments in the initial installation, and you start lxqt on reboot, it asks which window manager to use.
10:34:46 <fsmithred> at least one person got confused by that
10:34:52 <gnarface> i think in theory the package manager can update anything
10:35:46 <chomwitt> i ll reinstall see what happens
10:43:04 <chomwitt> strange. i purger and reinstalled , but now the LXQt default didnt change.
10:43:09 <chomwitt> purged
10:43:19 <fsmithred> maybe because you made a manual change
10:43:42 <chomwitt> you mean now?
10:43:44 <fsmithred> it may have dropped a config file in ~/.config and that sticks.
10:43:51 <fsmithred> xfce works that way
10:44:03 <fsmithred> defaults are stored in xml files in /etc/xdg
10:44:23 <fsmithred> but if you make a change on the desktop, it puts a copy of the modified xml file in ~/.config
10:44:38 <fsmithred> and that gets to rule
10:44:50 <chomwitt> fsmithred, insigthfull.. i'll look into it now
10:45:18 <fsmithred> I have the distinct pleasure (not) of being the maintainer of desktop-base
10:46:14 <fsmithred> anyone looking for something to do to help devuan is welcome to take over that job.
10:47:38 <fsmithred> grep for the name of your file-manager in ~/.config/* to find the file where it's set.
10:47:54 <fsmithred> or in /etc/xdg/*
10:48:02 <fsmithred> to see the default
10:51:22 <chomwitt> :~/.config$ grep -r filelight * returned nothing
11:03:18 <chomwitt> being unemployed now i dont have much time, so i'll try to help by using devuan daily and reporting issues
11:03:51 <chomwitt> i'll also ask LXQt quys
11:04:12 <chomwitt> its strange what happened
11:57:26 <ham5urg> Is there a bluetooth app for xfce?
11:57:50 <ham5urg> I would like to receive a file.
12:00:02 <fsmithred> ham5urg, blueman works in xfce
12:01:53 <ham5urg> fsmithred, thanks
12:19:33 <ham5urg> Is blueman-manager accesible via xfce application menu? Could not find any.
13:18:00 <fsmithred> ham5urg, look in Settings, Appliation Autostart
13:18:40 <fsmithred> or Settings, Bluetooth Manager
13:39:08 <ham5urg> Ah, yes.
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