#devuan

20:44:30 <onefang> _ds_: That "alienware box has two video cards in... Intel and Nvidia" might be one of those horrid combined graphics chips. I have one of those.

21:40:35 <onefang> I gave my RAM gremlin a playground to distract it. Er I mean I dumped 105 GB of files into a RAM disk to see how that affected it when running other stuff. Only 36GB free now. Made things worse. lol

23:18:02 <gnarface> when people come by here having problems with those ill conceived dual-gpu laptops, the most important thing to tell them is to just stick around. we've collectively muddled through helping a number of them achieve success, but only the ones who didn't give up and eject first.

23:20:15 <gnarface> the important thing for them to understand is they can and do work with devaun, as long as some adjustments are made, but the adjustments aren't the same for every model so it bears some trial-and-error testing

03:46:25 <x3dre> My alienware lappy has two video cards one nvidia and the other intel. On starting up instead of getting a login screen via gdm3, the prompt appears for a cli prompt login. I don't know what to do next to a gui screen to start .. tia :)

03:47:23 <x3dre> Do I need some firmware that should have been installed as I chose to have non-free-firmware but something is amiss...

03:48:46 <fsmithred> x3dre, stick around. Someone will eventually help you figure it out.

03:49:24 <fsmithred> This was posted while you were not here...

03:49:33 <fsmithred> <gnarface> when people come by here having problems with those ill conceived dual-gpu laptops, the most important thing to tell them is to just stick around. we've collectively muddled through helping a number of them achieve success, but only the ones who didn't give up and eject first.

03:49:33 <fsmithred> <gnarface> the important thing for them to understand is they can and do work with devaun, as long as some adjustments are made, but the adjustments aren't the same for every model so it bears some trial-and-error testing

04:02:29 <gnarface> fsmithred: this is the one i already told, there was another one after then

04:03:06 <gnarface> x3dre: hang on i have a sources.list example for you

04:04:13 <onefang> Is that one of those Optimus graphics chips? I think that's what they where called. I have an ancient one, but it worked fine for me.

04:04:30 <gnarface> onefang: yea, it's a 930 so the nouveau drivers faceplant hard

04:04:52 <gnarface> x3dre: here, change your /etc/apt/sources.list to this, it will include everything: http://paste.debian.net/1315332/

04:05:38 <gnarface> if you just install all the nvidia packages, it might just start working with no other changes, but it's not a guarantee; other changes sometimes need to be made too

04:06:13 <gnarface> apt-get update && apt-cache search ^nvidia

04:06:21 <gnarface> apt-get update && apt-cache search nvidia

04:06:47 <gnarface> you might get a lot of bloat unless you use "apt-get --no-install-recommends ..."

04:07:05 <gnarface> but then, some like the bloat, you gotta make your own decisions

04:11:46 <onefang> I've lost so much weight this year that I'm underweight. I'd like some of my own bloat back. lol

04:15:57 <gnarface> oh, crap, i just remembered x3dre, warning, if you're on kernel 6.1.0-18-amd64 you might have to downgrade to 6.1.0-17-amd64 for it to work, too

04:16:44 <gnarface> i don't know if they ever fixed the dkms bug in 6.1.0-18

04:29:05 <x3dre> going to reboot after the updates you suggested :)

04:33:57 <x3dre> Brilliant all is working ... Thanks gnarface fsmithred :)

09:38:54 <X3DRE> How do I get the sound subsystem to work as when I goto sound in the system settings there is no subsystem like alsa or pulseaudio?

09:47:59 <gnarface> X3DRE: you could try installing pulseaudio

09:48:24 <gnarface> X3DRE: also install pavucontrol, then run that and make sure the right hardware is selected

09:50:53 <gnarface> you don't always need pulseaudio, but you probably do need it to see the controls you're expecting. for bare alsa you'd usually use alsamixer in a terminal, which doesn't typically show up in desktop gui software

09:51:07 <gnarface> they rarely bother to implement fancy controls for alsa anymore :(

09:52:57 <X3DRE> I get this message when trying to install pulseaudio : The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome gnome-core pipewire-alsa pipewire-audio task-gnome-desktop

09:55:33 <X3DRE> This comes from doing this which I've said no! apt install pulseaudio pavucontrol pavumeter paprefs

09:57:44 <gnarface> hmm, maybe gnome needs pipewire and it's busted, but maybe also you just need to run pavucontrol instead of changing any apckages

09:58:39 <gnarface> try just installing pavucontrol, if you don't have it. also, gnome might just need an extra package for the control panel itself (i don't know that it doesn't, and it wouldn't be unprecedented)

09:59:52 <gnarface> run it and make sure your audio device is selected

10:00:27 <X3DRE> establishing connection but nothing happening...

10:01:08 <gnarface> run the command "groups" to check your current groups

10:01:56 <X3DRE> cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev users netdev bluetooth lpadmin scanner

10:07:05 <X3DRE> the list for this is long apt-cache search ^gnome

10:07:26 <gnarface> look for something that looks like your audio control panel that's missing

10:09:59 <X3DRE> nearest entry is this gnome-audio - Audio files for GNOME

10:13:20 <gnarface> it might be easier to just reboot the whole thing

10:20:42 <X3DRE> There is still no output sound device in the subsystem ...

10:22:00 <gnarface> make sure you have all these packages too: alsa-oss, alsa-tools, alsa-topology-conf, alsa-ucm-conf, alsa-utils

10:22:38 <gnarface> there's some slight chance your soundcard also needs non-free firmware, but i'm not sure what the likelyhood is of that, you can probably check by running: dmesg |grep firmware

10:23:03 <gnarface> you can also just try seeing what shows up if you run alsamixer

10:23:52 <gnarface> (install all that alsa stuff first and reboot again of course)

10:25:05 <X3DRE> All alsa stuff now installed only two were missing... Going to reboot

10:26:08 <X3DRE> This is there - snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware ctefx.bin

10:26:28 <gnarface> ok, no errors about missing firmware show up? it's probably fine then

10:27:04 <gnarface> yea, i think so. some rare intel soundcards need the "firmware-intel-sound" package from non-free-firmware, but i'd expect it to complain if that were the case

10:37:01 <gnarface> X3DRE: run this and paste the output at paste.debian.net then give me the link: aplay -l && aplay -L

10:44:49 <ra33> Greetings! Looking for a solution to a problem. Grub is broken! The system boots only like this (video) Tried these tools: Boot-Repair Super Grub2 Disk SystemRescueCD Rescatux

10:58:58 <gnarface> X3DRE: definitely sounds like a familiar pipewire issue, but unfortunately i don't know how to fix it. i'd say find out if gnome actually needs pipewire, and if not just install pulseaudio instead; it's possible it can work with pulseaudio but just needs to be reinstalled

10:59:34 <gnarface> X3DRE: this aplay output looks normal; you definitely have a soundcard.

11:00:10 <gnarface> i see your HDMI device is the first one, that might be why it's not working

11:00:58 <X3DRE> So I will remove pipewire I definitely have a soundcard

11:01:25 <gnarface> you can always put it back later if you figure out why it's broken

11:02:29 <gnarface> you should be able to do it with pavucontrol, but there's more than one thing wrong here

11:03:03 <gnarface> you could try putting these lines in your ~/.asoundrc:

11:04:06 <gnarface> you shouldn't have to reboot for that change but you will probably have to restart gnome and pipewire

11:05:45 <gnarface> not unless you're logging into your graphical desktop as root

11:05:54 <gnarface> it would be for your regular user that you log into the GUI as

11:07:46 <X3DRE> I have no .asoundrc hidden should I create it and with what permissions ?

11:08:12 <gnarface> create one, as your regular non-root user, with the default permissions

11:08:55 <gnarface> this probably won't make the gnome control panel work, but maybe it'll at least get you sound, it's a long shot

11:09:08 <gnarface> you need to talk to someone who knows pipewire and gnome better, i think

11:11:37 <X3DRE> ok I wonder if anyone else here knows about them or goto the devs of pipewire

11:12:41 <gnarface> someone else definitely knows a fix for this, i'm just not sure who

11:12:52 <gnarface> it has definitely come up before and someone had a fix

11:13:25 <gnarface> more than once, just installing pulseaudio instead worked, but in those cases gnome wasn't involved

11:14:00 <X3DRE> I found this link https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8671533.html?sid=a89848f932d160f4413404920d3875a5

11:16:19 <gnarface> that probably didn't use gnome either though, did it? i wonder if it used pipewire or pulseaudio...

11:17:02 <gnarface> seems like in this gentoo link the guy has the same issue as you, but his config is much more complicated

11:18:48 <gnarface> notice that one post suggests a 1-line version of the 3-line config i gave you, and another one said he just removed both pulseaudio and pipewire to fix it (which is what i'd do, but i also wouldn't be using gnome)

11:20:04 <X3DRE> I have changed over to plasma instead... But I prefer gnome it's just a desktop as long as it fully functional :)

11:21:11 <gnarface> your init system is the default (sysvinit) right?

11:21:44 <X3DRE> I am pretty sure I chose that option on install

11:21:47 <gnarface> alright, paste.debian.net this output: ls -lR /etc/alsa/

11:23:58 <gnarface> or, wait, if you switched to plasma does that mean you can switch to pulseaudio too?

11:24:25 <gnarface> you only have those 2 in there? hmm, something is wrong...

11:24:30 <X3DRE> No I just logged out of gnome and chose the plasma desktop..

11:24:47 <gnarface> try installing pulseaudio and letting it remove pipewire?

11:24:57 <gnarface> then reboot once and see if sound is working in plasma?

11:27:58 <X3DRE> Great I installed apt install -f pulseaudio and presto not rebooted and sound is working :)

11:28:29 <gnarface> thus further supporting my theory that they made pipewire because pulseaudio was working too well

11:29:08 <X3DRE> If it ain't broked don't try and fix it - Many thanks gnarface :)

11:32:51 <X3DRE> Does this text transcript go into the archive as it might help someone else ?

11:33:27 <gnarface> isn't there a link to it in the channel topic?

11:34:41 <gnarface> Chanlogs http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/

11:37:01 <X3DRE> I got banned for using lower case x3dre dunno why though

11:57:57 <archdummy> 1) Devuan 1 galaxy forum banned me, are there other places to discuss ?

11:58:18 <archdummy> 2) Whats are the benefits of devuan over debian ? It boots faster?

12:01:24 <gnarface> X3DRE: you sure it was a ban or maybe just a kick?

12:01:44 <gnarface> archdummy: a little faster, a little simpler, a little less attack surface

12:02:41 <joerg> [27 Apr 2024 17:27:23] <-- X3DRE (~X3DRE@156.67.34.248) has left this server (Remote host closed the connection).

12:04:02 <archdummy> I'm trying to install in a particular way : efi + boot + PV, then LV-root LV-home LV-swap, then btrfs @home on LV-home, and @ + @root + @opt + @.snapshots + @var + @tmp on LV-root. Is it feasible on devuan? (Apparently mx installer didn't allow for such stuff)

12:04:35 <joerg> [27 Apr 2024 11:37:16] <-- x3dre (~x3dre@2a04:202:3421:ce00:5fb:1b30:3908:4ab6) has left this server (Client Quit).

12:05:26 <gnarface> archdummy: well, yea, they actively try to stop you from using other init systems

12:06:18 <gnarface> archdummy: redhat/IBM. they've specifically designed it to make it difficult or impossible to support other init systems while fully supporting systemd, so devuan has all the other init systems

12:08:11 <gnarface> uh, hmm... not sure, sounds right though maybe

12:08:37 <gnarface> artix is also a non-systemd fork of arch?

12:10:34 <archdummy> What is the name of the Devuan unstable suite?

12:10:55 <gnarface> current stable is daedalus, and excalibur is testing

12:12:32 <archdummy> Thanks, does the timezone needs to be accurate to register on the forum?

12:14:06 <archdummy> Or are you asking if I wanna try linux / 1st experience?

12:15:09 <gnarface> archdummy: no, no. i'm flagging the forum admin, nickname: golinux, who might know the answer

12:16:04 <joerg> X3DRE: why / where / when did you think you got banned?

12:16:11 <archdummy> Info Unfortunately it looks like your request is spam. If you feel this is a mistake, please direct any inquiries to the forum administrator at IRC #devuan at irc.libera.chat Go back

13:12:52 <golinux> archdummy: You'd have to get that answer from rrq.

14:37:00 <X3DRE> @joerg Earlier today approximately 11am BST I came to libera as x3dre and the browser crashed and then tried straight again, to which I got a message I've been banned ...

14:38:00 <X3DRE> so I came on as X3DRE and I'm not banned using caps...

14:38:15 <joerg> you say "browser crashed", so I assume you used the webchat?

14:40:16 <X3DRE> well I thought it might be a cookie issue but it doesn't matter now, my sound issue has been fixed :-)

14:44:25 <joerg> kiwiirc webchat "client" actually stores channels you joined, in a cookie I think, so it _might_ be related

14:51:41 <X3DRE> so you suggest using kiwiirc instead of gamja ?

14:57:45 <fluffywolf> that page doesn't even mention ircii, epic, or bitchx... someone has something against proper irc clients, I see....

15:04:40 <joerg> X3DRE: I never looked into gamja, it's supposedly more lightweight than kiwiirc

15:25:33 <joerg> X3DRE: anyway, if you wanna have a look, https://web.libera.chat/#devuan

16:04:52 * Xenguy stabs bitchx, and forbids future usage of the word

18:16:35 <ted-ious> Xenguy: What's wrong with native irc clients?

18:17:55 <Xenguy> ted-ious, Are you asking me what's wrong with bitchx?