"I thought the web was built more like Debian"

Lets hope not:

https://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/23/
https://www.cvedetails.com/version-list … Linux.html

Also:

https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra … ase/stable
https://bugs.debian.org/release-critica … n/all.html

FreeBSD for comparison

https://www.cvedetails.com/version-list … eebsd.html

Following another link from the one in the OP: https://www.windowscentral.com/microsof … ack-online

No one wants this, but it's happening anyway.

The problem with Microsoft is that it all comes down to shareholders demands and they understand 0 about OS, software development and computing in general.  So when it comes to "cloud", "AI", "memory safe", and the next fads, they want to see these represented in some form. It has to "grow"...  and it's about being seen to be doing something to compete, and stay relevant.

No idea what any of that has to do with the deprecation and obsolescence of gtk2 - and it's removal from Arch Linux repositories.

https://blog.gtk.org/2020/12/16/gtk-4-0/

It's very simple: When gnome 2 was declared EOL by the gnome project, people stepped up, forked it and that's why Mate exists. You also have projects such as Xlibre and of course Devuan... without someone doing the work, it doesn't happen. You will get the same script on the OpenBSD mailing lists - one of the least corporate FOSS projects there is.

The writing was on the wall for gtk2 with regards to systemd embracing projects such as Arch.... so this thread really is non news.

The point is that it's funded and organised by the Rust Foundation, which is a consortium of Microsoft, google and Amazon, along with Huawei and the founder Mozilla (who famously laid off all the developers).

In other words there is a business case for rust, otherwise those top three wouldn't be involved.

At this moment in time, there are no serious efforts to rewrite any OS in rust, but time will tell and as other "memory safe" languages are on the rise, it may never happen anyway. There is a corporate demand for memory safe languages at the application level - this where the likes of MS and google are focused.

But anyway, back to topic: It appears there are already hard rust depends for Debian?

But what this thread amounts to is complaining about a corporate backed language being adopted in an already corporate controlled distribution which itself distributes a lot of already corporate funded and developed software such as the Linux kernel, X.org, gnome, systemd, wayland, etc. That horse has bolted.

There's no sysvinit script included in the Debian package, but also no hard dependency on systemd so far as I can tell.

And there it is...

So guess who is really forcing in rust?

Well it's kind of down to interpretation:

https://www.sudo.ws/

I think that sums it up well.  But while the functionality to give a user the privileges to run all commands as root is there, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea.  It's just a statement of fact that it can be used for that (the rm command can also be used to delete all of your files, or just one, for example).

sudo has been around for a very long time:

So, yes not really needed for or designed for domestic / home users PCs.

Canonical/Ubuntu and a few others utilised it simply as a means to eliminate / hide the root account, in order to appease migrants from Windows, and to implement an environment with more "hand holding" (protecting users from themselves).  This was all based on the idea that users new Linux would do stupid things, such as running an X session or file manager as root.  From this you'd get breakage, and inevitably "back to Windows", which equates to bad press / reputation for the distribution - something Canonical as a commercial entity had wanted to avoid.

I would not rank sudo alongside other controversial or problematic software, such as systemd, wayland, pulseaudio, rust, etc...  and in the grand scheme of things, sudo's security track record isn't bad, when compared to those and to the Linux kernel itself.

But, if you don't use it, then I believe it's wise to remove it - that is if you're certain it's not being used by a script you may use/depend on without knowing it.

These were fixed back in June: https://git.sudo.ws/sudo/commit/?id=23aff2b37

To add some much needed perspective:

https://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/15714/
https://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/33/Linux.html

Yet none here seem concerned about running the Linux kernel...

I'm not convinced that the removal of Eich led to Mozilla's downfall, the decline of firefox and the rise of google chrome. It's just a symptom of a larger problem.

When chrome first appeared, it's important to take a few facts into account. At that time, both firefox and IE were still contenders, mobile computing was still in the early phase, and google were funding mozilla, as is still the case. Despite the funding, google employed aggressive marketing in a global campaign and used its growing dominance of the web to engineer firefox out. Coupled with that, key people at Mozilla, steered the project onto the rocks, whilst commanding large salaries and diverting funding away from firefox and onto side projects. So indirectly, google pay them and they in turn move the focus away from the project which is suppisefly being funded.

xenocara is OpenBSD's build system for x.org and not a fork of x.org ...

https://www.xenocara.org/

"It is not a fork"

So all the talk about that is largely pointless.

@zapper, If the developer of xlibre is a fascist, that should make no difference to you. Unless you live in a makeshift shelter in a forest and grow and hunt all your own food, never see a doctor, use any medicine, etc, then fascists could be involved in the supply chain of everything you use and consume on a daily basis.

Also, claiming someone is a "fascist" without providing reliable citations to back that up, is pretty much slander - and not so different from the tactics employeed in so called "cancel culture". Some supposedly very "woke" individuals tried that approach with Theodore Ts'o several years ago. "Useful idiots" abound, waiting to do the dirty work of big corporations, while believing they are fighting the good fight for social justice.

On the other hand, I doubt the gnome project are fascists - yet they spout the same woke nonsense as all other "Big Tech", because of course they are bankrolked and controlled by the aforementioned. If you are in fact "left wing" as you seem to claim to be, then the first step to enlightenment is gaining the understanding that "woke" and similar is a massive contrived smokescreen of indentity politics nonsenese, which skirts around the real problems in this world, to provide a devisive distraction to the electorate. While anyone is focused on the woke agenda, they will miss the bigger picture, while they are focused on the politics of free software development they may as well live in a cave. Most of the notable FOSS projects which started out as small hobby projects and embodied what free software was supposed to be about are now owned / controlled / funded / staffed / all of the above, by Big Tech. Even Microsoft is a player - who would have believed that 20 years ago? That ship has already sailed. Railing against, the admittedly deplorable, gnome project, is tantamount to raging at the sky.

We can argue over semantics all day and I mentioned Steam Deck already. There have been earlier attempts and you can't assume it's the final product.

I assumed Proton was based on WineX, as codeweavers were involved in it's development, but it indeed appears this is not the case. The point being however that this is all about Windows games running on Linux. That doesn't challenge point about Windows being the primary platform.

"Pay per play" is the wrong term, I admit... I'm referring to any of the modern platforms such as xbox or steam, but couldn't think of a better term. I'm old enoughto remember buying games on 5 1/4" disks.

Proprietary Steam platform? Proprietary games?

"...you're probably fine with running Windows SpyOS too."