I run Void in the last year and I tested major Desktop Environments: Gnome,KDE, XFCE, Cinnamon.  As I remember KDE has some systemd-dependencies, some KDE module were unusable in Void. There are rumors that more systemd dependencies will be added in KDE. And each update on KDE packages can bring problems, for a rolling release such as Void is not really a good option. That's a bit annoying for the end user.

If I would run KDE, I would choose OpenSUSE or Fedora. OpenSUSE is a better choice than Fedora, Fedora is unstable, is just the testing bed for RHEL. I would not use it. But in OpenSUSE, KDE was the default choice for a long time, many vets of OpenSUSE run KDE. And of course KUbuntu. I don't know about the other 'n variants, I don't think they really matter.

XFCE and Cinnamon are the wisest choices in my opinion. They work everywhere. If you want Wayland than labwc is an excellent choice . It just works in Devuan .

First of all, I didn't think that a lot of people would answer to me. Thank you for the attention.

Secondly, I have a few things to say:

I think that the better way to add things here, as users or as developers, is to be constructive. It isn't very useful to be aggresive or ignore other people.

Answering to you all:

@Elyon

I would use distros like Zorin or LMDE, but hibernating my laptop is a must-do on choosing my distro, and I don't know why, with distros that uses systemd this seems to be unarchievable. Tried to solve it for weeks, with 2 different laptops, without any archievement.

Hibernating my laptop is not a whim, or a caprice; but a must-have, as I use my laptop on my uni without charging it and sometimes I need to stop using it temporarily.

@brocashelm

I would prefer to use a Debian derivative, just a personal choice. But, I have tried to install slackware, and I just gave up on the installation because itself selected an EFI partition to use that I didn't want. Maybe I was doing things wrong. Maybe someday I'll try Salix.

In fact, I used Kubuntu for almost 3 years without distroswapping. The thing that made me change to Debian was that Ubuntu forced the use of Snap in their OS, so in my case, this affected me because a program (Spain's Gov. AutoFIrma) couldn't "sync" with FIrefox. After that I read about all Canonical's decisions and I really don't liked them at all.

@rations

I would like to have sound without configuring anything at all. I mean, in other OOTB distros I don't have to choose between Pipewire or Pulseaudio. Normally that decision is the dev's one, and I've seen that almost all distros are defaulting to Pipeware, I hope for the best.

@swanson

Yes, normally after installing a distro is time to tinker it to have a configuration that makes you more confortable, like buying a car and adjusting it to you.

In my case, I think about that for things like: changing the theme, maybe the panels location, fonts, energy, display, etc... but sound is like a basic thing, imagin, using your same example, that you buy a car and the lights don't work. Yes, you can drive a car without lights. Yes, you can use your computer without sounds, It will be more difficult, or less confortable using it? Maybe. @steve_v said a better analogy with "crawl into the footwell and connect the wiring for the radio".

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Thing is, right now I am using Excalibur with XFCE as my main OS. Almost all work OOTB, including audio. Telling that audio don't work on Plasma was just a comment, i was just trying KDE Plasma.

I don't have a lot of free time as I need to go to uni and study, but sure, if I had the time, I would really love to contribute to this wonderful project that is Devuan. I like a lot the philosophy that has UNIX that is that a program will do one thing and do it well.

Thank you all for all the comments!

Props to all the admins and developers that contribute to this distro in their free time and without a regular salary! (I suppose)

Please don't hate each other, team up and don't give up !

Adjust the mirrors, check the tire pressures, even RTFM on the glossy new screen in the center?

But not "crawl into the footwell and connect the wiring for the radio", which is a far more appropriate analogy for what new users are expected to do to get pipewire working properly.

Every other distro (systemd or otherwise) which ships pipewire also ships an OOB configuration where it just works. No "tinkering", no reading manuals, no scouring forums or writing shell scripts.
Tinkering is fine if you want to customise your install or do something unusual. Pipewire is not unusual. It hasn't been unusual for several years at this point, and literally every other distro has accepted that it's not going away and solutions need to be found to integrate it.
Devuan has, what, grudgingly added a paragraph to the release notes instructing users to go figure it out? Rejected every proposed solution because it's not in upstream Debian? Chased away anybody who would be willing to work on this?

The irony is palpable. Whinging about not enough developers, then running off anyone who looks like they might contribute. Bitching about upstreams not listening to their users, then refusing to include functionality users are asking for. Blaming Debian for any and all bugs and behaving like they're part of some big evil conspiracy, then claiming that "Devuan is just Debian" and stonewalling any remotely proactive discussion with "we'll wait and see what Debian does" or "get package into Debian first".

What happens when you buy a new car? You must personally tinker a bit with it to suit your needs, don't you?  Adjust the mirrors, check the tire pressures, even RTFM on the glossy new screen in the center?

Do you want pipewire or do you just want sound? You could just install pulseaudio and pavucontrol. No scripts just apt install both from the terminal.

The last time I checked Slackware it had no package manager and one had to download and install packages manually. But this was decades ago.

That may be true for pure Slackware (for better or for worse, depending on the user), but distros like Salix and Slackel have automatic dependency tracking. They use the slapt-get package manager, which is similar to apt-get in its usage. The main difference between Salix and Slackel is that Salix is based on Slackware 15.0 (with Xfce as the DE) and that Slackel is based on Slackware-current (with Openbox as the WM and MATE as the DE). They also package a lot of SlackBuilds exclusively on their repositories. I highly recommend giving either of those two distros a shot.

Working on a new version 3.1-3 now, and then going to run one of the Devuan mate-mini's with all Pulse and Pipe purged and running clean low-latency Alsa-pure sound without the config hassles yet allowing users control over their sound in ways they didn't have before.

I still doubt it'll work in KDE though,.. ya know, KDE gonna KDE and all.

That's okay golinux, go back to sleep. You weren't doing anything useful around here anyway.

Wrong yet again. I never sleep during the day because I actually have a life to live other than behaving for the machine. You are so assimilated, it is unlikely you could even grasp such a reality. The machine has turned human existence into some sort of glassy-eyed purgatory . . .

For the record, I don't like or want any PulseAudio or PipeWire -- I understand certain use cases for them, but pure ALSA is more than enough in my case. Alternatively, Sndio (which is the standard in OpenBSD).

Devuan is Debian without systemd.

Devuan is little more than a shallow Debian "respin" at this point. 99% of packages are pulled straight from Debian, even when that means they're broken or grossly misconfigured by default in a systemd-free environment. Nobody, apparently, cares at all.
Obvious low-hanging-fruit like shipping a simple shell script or running sed against a configuration file go unpicked, and users are left to figure these things out for themselves. Trivial 5-minute bugs go completely unanswered for years on end.
Even the live image, that one configuration among the multitude that should be tested and polished as the flagship and first-impression... is almost always broken on release day.

Perhaps it's time to stop calling this a "Distribution" altogether? Every other systemd-free distro appears to be making progress with systemd alternatives and ensuring packages work and OOTB configurations are functional, Devuan just reheats whatever Debian serves and buries it's proverbial head in the sand.

Why? The distro is going nowhere and the discussion channels are administered by arseholes who won't even walk their own passive-aggressive talk. What would be the point?

If you're going to ask a brand-new user, one who came here asking for technical help, to "provide and maintain" a solution, maybe start by showing your solution as inspiration? An example of all the packages you maintain perhaps? No?

You suppose correctly.

It's Debian without systemd, with a perpetual list of bugs caused by removing systemd and a pathologically passive attitude to fixing any of them.

... Is the understatement of the decade when it comes to our dear forum administrator here.