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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Excalibur desktop-live: "switch user" action segfaults xfce4-session]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>I believe you found another bug in the Slim display manager.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Colour me not at all surprised. While SLiM is indeed &quot;slim&quot;, it&#039;s functionality is eclipsed by even the venerable XDM. User switching, bah, who needs that? <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Also, the who command returns nothing.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Don&#039;t ask me how, but SLiM somehow manages to not register login, session nor seat properly. At least that means it doesn&#039;t unexpectedly inhibit logind idle actions, unlike certain other disasters (SDDM).</p><p>If lightdm had a greeter (in the repos) that didn&#039;t drag in a bunch of gnome/GTK3 dependencies I&#039;d be all for it...</p><p>For such a relatively simple function as a display-manager / graphical greeter, there really is a dearth of options that don&#039;t suck in some fundamental way.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2025 13:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Excalibur desktop-live: "switch user" action segfaults xfce4-session]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p><p>Thanks for the report. It took me a little while to find &quot;switch user&quot;. It&#039;s only in the action button on the right side of the panel. It doesn&#039;t appear in the Logout window you get from the Applications menu. I can confirm that switch user doesn&#039;t work in the default setup.&#160; Also, the who command returns nothing.</p><p>I believe you found another bug in the Slim display manager. If you install lightdm, then &quot;Switch user&quot; becomes an additional choice in the logout screen, and it does work. Also, &#039;who&#039; works then. This problem wasn&#039;t in the betas because slim was creating a black window over the desktop with autologin, so I used lightdm in the builds instead.</p><p>I was able to reproduce the grub failure in virtualbox, but in qemu it worked normally. I&#039;ll stop here on that point - I&#039;m suppressing a rant about grub.</p><p>Point taken about the &quot;copy files&quot; button. If you do a uefi install, the button says &quot;Install bootloader&quot;. That&#039;s an easy fix.</p><p>Edit: Forgot to mention ssh. The desktop-live is based on a default task-xfce-desktop install which does not include openssh-server.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2025 12:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Excalibur desktop-live: "switch user" action segfaults xfce4-session]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=59606#p59606</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>after countless installs(across decades and up to and including the day before yesterday), i also <strong><span class="bbu"><em>still</em></span></strong> fall prey to the <a href="https://www.supergrubdisk.org/" rel="nofollow"> _dammit_forgot_to_select_where_to_install_grub_again_sigh_ahem_SUPERGRUBDISKFORTHEWINAGAIN_</a></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>nine hells...</p></div></blockquote></div><p>rotflmao</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2025 08:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=59602#p59602</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>So I thought it time I gave excalibur a test-run...</p><p>This is a completely stock, unadulterated refracta install from devuan_excalibur_6.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso, in VirtualBox.</p><p>The &quot;switch user&quot; menu entry in the default desktop-live install flat-out does not work. Better still, it <em>crashes your active session</em>. This is the opposite of what one would expect from that function, and not remotely how it is supposed to work or has worked for the last 25 years.</p><p>Clicking the &quot;switch user&quot; menu entry does cause the greeter (slim) to appear <em>eventually</em> (~15 seconds), but rather than allowing a concurrent login while keeping the existing session active, the active Xserver is terminated and the XFCE session manager segfaults.</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>xfce4-session[1972]: segfault at 8 ip 00005558656d87e5 sp 00007ffdc8b628d0 error 4 in xfce4-session[247e5,5558656c7000+1d000] likely on CPU 3 (core 3, socket 0)
[Fri Nov 14 19:15:48 2025] Code: 85 07 fe ff ff 8b 0d 32 ea 01 00 85 c9 0f 85 9c 00 00 00 48 8d 35 82 ce 00 00 4c 89 ef e8 83 06 ff ff 48 89 c3 48 8b 44 24 20 &lt;48&gt; 8b 68 08 41 8b 44 24 2c 83 f8 04 0f 84 b9 00 00 00 83 f8 05 0f</code></pre></div><p>ps and loginctl confirm there is now only one session and one X process (slim&#039;s xserver), anything that was open in the users graphical session is now gone.</p><p>How is this not in the release notes or on the bugtracker? It&#039;s a first-level item in the desktop menu that will immediately crash your session and nuke any unsaved work.</p><p>How do I get working graphical multi-user in this multi-user Unix OS? Shouldn&#039;t this work out of the box?</p><p>---</p><p>Aside, on general first-impressions:</p><p>I still hate the installer with a passion. I&#039;m sure you all don&#039;t want to hear it again, but I&#039;m going to say it again because refracta is still awful.<br />The <a href="https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/05/devuan_6_excalibur_is_out/" rel="nofollow">register</a> echoes my sentiment on this pretty well:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>same glitches that we reported a little over two years ago...<br />rather clunky Refracta installer...<br />so we had to restart the installer...<br />didn&#039;t successfully install the GRUB bootloader</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Despite over 25 years with GNU/Linux and many different distros and installers, I too fell into the same trap as el-reg - not getting GRUB installed.<br />The final prompt is horrible. It doesn&#039;t bother asking <em>where</em> to install grub, doesn&#039;t position the button that will &quot;continue&quot; to a working install where the user has been seeing &quot;continue&quot; buttons up until this point, doesn&#039;t give any options to retry if installation fails, and quite frankly, &quot;copy files&quot; has to be <em>the</em> dumbest name I have ever heard for &quot;please give me an install that actually boots&quot;.<br />Please just use calamares. For all its faults, it doesn&#039;t look like a refugee from the &#039;90s, it has a real workflow with the ability to go back a step, and it doesn&#039;t actively try to confuse the user.</p><p>Also, why in the nine hells is <em>ssh</em> not included in the live install? I could understand not enabling the server by default, but not even installing it? Why?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (steve_v)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2025 06:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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