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			<title><![CDATA[Re: upgrading all machines on a LAN, and apt-cacher-ng]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=3239#p3239</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>PeteGozz wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I have no idea how well it would work as a standalone NTP server.<br />Your ISP does not do this ? <br />Or is this a copper wire thing ?</p><p>So you would broadcast NTP on wireless ?<br />Sweet.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I had run across an article about using a Odroid-C2 with NTP and gpsd.&#160; You need to find some way to generate the 1PPS signal (some GPS hardware has this, some doesn&#039;t).&#160; After getting the 1PPS, the next step up for a good NTP server, seems to be keeping the temperature constant, so this typically means building an &quot;oven&quot; of some kind, that you can heat to a temperature a little above room temperature.&#160; Then I found what seemed like a good price on a GPS chip, which in older versions of the firmware, allowed access to real time kinematic data (but missed out on the Chinese (Baidu?) and Galileo GPS constellations).&#160; So, there was the possibility of setting up a GPS base station (with real time kinematic), a rover (RTK as well, and probably XBee or similar to push the data at 900 MHz), and setting up a NTP/gpsd time server (to donate to my local ISP).&#160; Looking at locations of time servers in &quot;Canada&quot;, they all seem to huddle along the Canada/USA border.&#160; I think the only north one was Fairbanks/Alaska.&#160; It probably would be nice to have a NTP server in the Peace Region (where I live), if for no other reason that it is hard to get good time service if you only talk to a single NTP server.</p><p>In any event, the Odroid NTP server I read about, was serving 20k replies per second in testing (per minute?).&#160; A relatively large number.&#160; Even if everybody in Dawson Creek was sending a single request per second (normally you send about 1 request per 4 hours or slower), that is still less than 20k/s.</p><p>I hadn&#039;t thought about putting it on wireless, probably worthwhile.&#160; It would probably be useful to do something with that data band that seems to be associated with (each) FM radio station.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2017 15:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: upgrading all machines on a LAN, and apt-cacher-ng]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=3142#p3142</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>I gather you live in the Adelaide general region.<br />[ And it probably never gets cold there.&#160; :-) ]</p></div></blockquote></div><p>The Adelaide Hills , we do some high value rural stuff and cheese wine German style bakeries&#160; etc ...<br />Or as I like to say we grow classy cold climate&#160; hangovers.</p><p>Well it gets cold enough to kill ya,&#160; but then, some people drown in baths.<br />It rarely snows, I have been here 25 years and it has snowed _here_ once.</p><p>Mt Lofty is an imaginatively named &quot;peak&quot; nearby, (I can see it a bit) does get snow on it most years.<br />The ski bunnies go nuts <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> They normally have to travel 600Kms to get useful stuff.<br />You have to understand&#160; that most of us have no idea of what a mountain actually looks like <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /><br />Or snow, or large natural bodies of fresh water, or other humans. Other than that we are just like Canada !<br />Just a safer distance away from our generally nice neighbours. </p><p><em>apt-cacher-ng can serve mirrors if you need to.<br />At least to your own LAN. <br />You can daisy chain them if you want to.<br /></em></p><p>One of my RapberryPis is now offsite as an excellent little&#160; gamebox <br />for my daughters family.</p><p>The other I cling to just because I like ARM. </p><p>I have no idea how well it would work as a standalone NTP server.<br />Your ISP does not do this ? <br />Or is this a copper wire thing ?</p><p>So you would broadcast NTP on wireless ?<br />Sweet.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (PeteGozz)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2017 09:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: upgrading all machines on a LAN, and apt-cacher-ng]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=3136#p3136</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Grrr, I hate typing stuff into a box, and then having it all disappear.</p><p>Pete, you keep popping up.&#160; I commend you for it.&#160; I gather you live in the Adelaide general region.</p><p>[ And it probably never gets cold there.&#160; :-) ]</p><p>I didn&#039;t bother adjusting things to use apt-cacher-ng for this first install.&#160; I&#039;m slow enough, and I suspect there is a point upgrade on the Debian side, that it probably wouldn&#039;t save anything.&#160; I have 2 more &quot;desktops&quot; to update (but the one desktop is intended to live in my truck, to do GIS work while I am travelling) before I get to my server.&#160; Which is intended to have 2 different SATA paths to disks, and 2 different kinds of disks to make up a RAID-10 for /home (on btrfs).</p><p>The RPis I have in my immediate future are ODRIOD and Orange Pi.</p><p>The ODROID is intended to become a NTP server for my local ISP: except it maybe running in a climate controlled box and other stuff to reduce variance/jitter.</p><p>The &quot;Peace Region&quot; of Alberta and BC (Canada) is about the size of Germany, with about 150,000 people living there.&#160; If I can build this NTP server well enough, maybe it will be a useful timesource to the north.&#160; But it hadn&#039;t occured to me that maybe my cache of Debian/Devuan packages would be useful locally.&#160; Very few people have heard of Linux, let alone Debian or Devuan.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2017 02:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: upgrading all machines on a LAN, and apt-cacher-ng]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2494#p2494</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Do I need to update the machine with the apt-cacher-ng before the other machines?&#160; I was actually planning to upgrade the smallest system first.&#160; Are there any problems with having apt-cacher-ng working with Debian and Devuan?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>It would not hurt to do the caching machine first if only so that _its_ caching software is up to date.<br />However <em>it shouldn&#039;t really matter.</em> </p><p>I _did_ have issues a while ago with apt-cacher-ng and switched to a squid plugin type system called&#160; squid-deb-proxy.<br />However that was appropriate as I was running squid3 in any case. <br />Just in case <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> (though unless you want squid3 ... )</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Package: squid-deb-proxy<br />Status: install ok installed<br />Priority: extra<br />Section: net<br />Installed-Size: 106<br />Maintainer: Michael Vogt &lt;mvo@debian.org&gt;<br />Architecture: all<br />Version: 0.8.9<br />Depends: debconf (&gt;= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, squid3<br />Recommends: avahi-utils<br />&lt;snipped&gt;<br />Description: Squid proxy configuration to optimize package downloads<br />&lt;snipped&gt;<br />Homepage: <a href="https://launchpad.net/squid-deb-proxy" rel="nofollow">https://launchpad.net/squid-deb-proxy</a></p></div></blockquote></div><p>You <strong>should not have issues with keeping debian devuan ubuntii on &lt;em&gt;either&lt;/em&gt;.</strong>&#160; <br />Well I never did with apt-cacher-* and still don&#039;t with the squid proxy.<br /> (beyond drive space !)<br />apt-cacher keeps nice easy to understand mirrors which you can also use as repros <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /><br />The squid thing is way harder to grok ! Though fully automatic, and near zero thought required after its all working.</p><p>For what its worth my home network is a similar size even has the RPies <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /><br />The proxies are also handy for upgrading _other_ peoples systems (which are usually debian or ubuntu ).<br />I guess one day I will explore the avahi auto thing for it but there is no need&#160; and I&#039;m always breaking &quot;helpful&quot; guff like avahi <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (PeteGozz)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2017 03:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[upgrading all machines on a LAN, and apt-cacher-ng]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2346#p2346</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have 4 Debian machines on a LAN, with one machine running apt-cacher-ng to reduce downloads.&#160; Some hardware issues kept me from changing to Devuan earlier.&#160; But with Stretch going to a 4.9 kernel, most of the problems I think might happen should go away (oh, isn&#039;t the default kernel in Jessie 3.16.0-4 ?).</p><p>Some of the Debian-Jessie machines will transition to Devuan-Jessie, and that is it.&#160; Others will make the move from Devuan-Jessie to Devuan-Ascii.</p><p>Do I need to update the machine with the apt-cacher-ng before the other machines?&#160; I was actually planning to upgrade the smallest system first.&#160; Are there any problems with having apt-cacher-ng working with Debian and Devuan?</p><p>At some point in the not too distant future, I will have another 2 (3? 5?) Raspberry Pi type things preferably running something like Devuan.&#160; I want to get my time from GPS, and I want to do real time kinematics on positioning on the farm.</p><p>-- </p><p>Live Long and Prosper</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2017 04:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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