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			<title><![CDATA[Re: I seem to crash when I go to a certain website...]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@all</p><p>please see both the article as well as the comments:</p><p><a href="https://www.techdirt.com/2025/07/14/tackling-the-ai-bots-that-threaten-to-overwhelm-the-open-web/" rel="nofollow"> https://www.techdirt.com/2025/07/14/tackling-the-ai-bots-that-threaten-to-overwhelm-the-open-web/</a></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Proxies for Bots / Global Proxy Networks</p><p>do a quick search for “proxies for bots” and a hypothesis develops where hundreds of millions of individual consumers/users get “free” internet access simply for willingly being an active part of a global proxy network. not sure how cloudflare or anyone will be able to distinguish quasi-random proxy-networks from naturally occurring web traffic. definitely a race to the bottom nevertheless.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>would expect to see more of these types of apps:<br /><a href="https://geekflare.com/consumer-tech/apps-to-sell-internet-data-and-earn-money/" rel="nofollow"> https://geekflare.com/consumer-tech/apps-to-sell-internet-data-and-earn-money/</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2025 08:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56914#p56914</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>This type of approach may be helpful:</p><p><strong>Protect Your Site with a Blackhole for Bad Bots</strong><br /><a href="https://perishablepress.com/blackhole-bad-bots/" rel="nofollow"> https://perishablepress.com/blackhole-bad-bots/</a></p><p>One potential downside to this approach is that the IP address block list will likely grow, over time, to be very large. One solution to this problem is to periodically prune the list by removing the oldest IP addresses, or have them automatically expire after a certain period of time.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (pcalvert)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2025 03:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, @tux_99, I read your post too hastily, and I thank you for your suggestion. My note about childish noise obviously doesn&#039;t apply to your offer.</p><p>The Devuan git store has had address block blocks a long time, and it does work to some extent. But as you would know, it&#039;s a method that requires constant monitoring and tuning, and that one can accept longish periods of seriously degraded service.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (ralph.ronnquist)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2025 01:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@tux_99 . . . I don&#039;t disagree with you assessment of the ethos of the &quot;offensive&quot; comment. But I also defend the validity of my assessment. Since you arrived I was hoping you might find a niche other than posting on the forum. Too many talkers and not enough doers will not stem the assault coming from Debian et all . . .</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (golinux)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2025 01:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@golinux what kind of reply do you expect when someone calls an offer to help &quot;childish noise&quot;?<br />That comment from ralph.ronnquist came across as very arrogant, so the tone of my reply should not seem surprising.</p><p>I don&#039;t want to force myself on anyone, if my help is not wanted that&#039;s perfectly fine for me, but that can be said politely rather than arrogantly dismissing it as &quot;childish noise&quot;, don&#039;t you think so?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (tux_99)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2025 00:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@tux_99 . . . You&#039;ve been here for a little over a month and we are just getting to know you and you, us. Perhaps you might want to rethink the use of flippant, sarcastic comments towards individuals until you get to know more about Devuan&#039;s history and also those of us who have nurtured this distribution for over a decade. Just sayin&#039; . . .</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2025 00:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>ralph.ronnquist wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Yea we tried blocking IP addresses, but we stopped at some 50000 addresses blocked</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Well of course it didn&#039;t work for you&#160; if you only blocked 50k addresses... a single /16 is already 65536 addresses, so 50k is chicken feed...</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Anyone with a viable solution may contribute. All else is just childish noise.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>No problem, I&#039;ll&#160; keep my &quot;childish noise&quot; that works great for my websites to myself...</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>greenjeans wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>but when it comes to DDOS that seems like an attack or are we overstating the issue using that term?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Yeah it&#039;s not an intentional DDOS attack, but the practical effect of all these rouge bots scraping all they can get can be like a DDOS.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (tux_99)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2025 23:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>My spidey-sense is tingling. I understand the ai scrapers and web crawlers, but when it comes to DDOS that seems like an attack or are we overstating the issue using that term?</p><p>Because a ddos on a linux git site, one that&#039;s NOT in bed with microshit, redcrap, and angry kiddie land (gnomers), seems suspicious.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2025 23:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yea we tried blocking IP addresses, but we stopped at some 50000 addresses blocked (60% ipv4 and 40% ipv6. A lot of effort and not effective.</p><p>Anyone with a viable solution may contribute. All else is just childish noise.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (ralph.ronnquist)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2025 22:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>tux_99: See the scrollback @ <a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56877#p56877" rel="nofollow">https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56877#p56877</a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (golinux)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2025 20:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56900#p56900</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I was about to write that I agree with steve_v that anubis makes git.devuan.org a torture to use as in the past weeks every time I tried to access it I had <strong>anubis running literally for 5 minutes or so before it granted me access</strong>, but I just tried again and I got past anubis in less than 1 second, not sure if it was just a fluke or if something has changed so that it will always be that quick.</p><p>So at the moment I reserve judgment.</p><p>That said, with regards to the DDOS by dodgy AI scrapers, I have that problem too on my websites and I solved it with IP address block lists implemented with ipset using the kernel firewall of linux. I don&#039;t block single IPs I block whole /24, /16 or even /12 network ranges of many hosting/cloud providers, as I found that these attacks predominantly come from very specific cheap/dodgy hosting/cloud providers, almost never from end customer (DSL/fiber/mobile) IP addresses.</p><p>If the admins of git.devuan.org are interested in my blocklist I can provide it, but only privately as sharing it publicly could induce the AI scrapers to adapt their strategies.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (tux_99)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2025 20:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56899#p56899</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>rbit wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>just use a user-agent that displays the actual o/s family (i.e. Linux).</p></div></blockquote></div><p>From the torbrowser design docs:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Design Goal: All Tor Browser users MUST provide websites with an identical user agent and HTTP header set for a given request type. We omit the Firefox minor revision, and report a popular Windows platform.</p></div></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><cite>rbit wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I wonder what happens if your user-string says &quot;MyBrowser 1.2.3.4&quot; - will anubis block access entirely?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Likely, if the dev&#039;s attitude is anything to go by:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Maybe that one guy that sets his Chrome version to 150 would have issues</p></div></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Installing a user-agent switcher is highly irregular behavior</p></div></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>It seems that user-agent switchers behave consistently in firefox and safari. You may want to use one of those two options</p></div></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>I would not suggest on relying on a user agent switcher in the future. Anubis is going to implement TLS fingerprinting support and that discrepancy between a Windows user agent with a Linux TLS fingerprint will be caught as suspect instantly.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>AKA: &quot;<del>We only support ie6</del>. Use a conforming browser. Anyone who doesn&#039;t conform is a weirdo and anubis will block them.&quot;</p><p>We rail against gratuitous javascript and browser fingerprinting, and we promote privacy... Except here, where apparently it&#039;s just fine.<br />We rail against forced <del>systemd wayland adoption</del> software-conformity, and advocate for user-choice... Except here, where apparently it&#039;s just fine.</p><p>This thing is blatantly speech-police for web browsers, and one small step away from a de-anonymisation engine. It uses all the same methods we love to hate when others do it. I&#039;d make a slippery-slope comment, but you&#039;ve heard them all already.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (steve_v)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2025 19:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56898#p56898</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Could you mitigate the scrapers by rate-limiting by IP address? Eg addresses making more that 10 requests per minute get responses delayed so they only get 10 responses per minute. That would not be too bad for a human, but hurt scrapers trying to train an AI system.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>(from reading back in my irc logs) Something similar was tried for a short time.&#160; Unfortunately, the first &quot;D&quot; in DDoS (Distributed) meant that approach was not very effective.&#160; After successfully slowing down the bots for a few days via IP-address blocking, they adapted to use a unique IP address for each request. Before anubis was added to the site, the web interface was pretty much unusable most of the time.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>&quot;Anubis is going to implement TLS fingerprinting support and that discrepancy between a Windows user agent with a Linux TLS fingerprint will be caught as suspect instantly.&quot;<br />Will break sites for anyone running a privacy-centric browser or extension that always supplies a windows UA regardless of platform, something several currently do.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>If that&#039;s all that is done, just use a user-agent that displays the actual o/s family (i.e. Linux).&#160; There are several &quot;valid&quot; (default for a browser) user-agents that could be rotated through, without needing to report Windows as the o/s.&#160; I know it&#039;s not a perfect solution for privacy, but the user-agent string matching the operating system probably isn&#039;t a huge deal.&#160; I wonder what happens if your user-string says &quot;MyBrowser 1.2.3.4&quot; - will anubis block access entirely?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (rbit)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2025 18:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56897#p56897</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Our website was already without visitors before the current solution was put in place. At least now some of us can get there.</p><p>FWIW, I see more cpu activity going to other websites than I do with git.devuan.org. I tested cbsnews.com, cnn.com and youtube.com.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2025 17:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56895#p56895</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Could you mitigate the scrapers by rate-limiting by IP address? Eg addresses making more that 10 requests per minute get responses delayed so they only get 10 responses per minute. That would not be too bad for a human, but hurt scrapers trying to train an AI system.</p><p>Sites that are obviously training an AI system should be fed AI generated drivel so they end up with an AI system that produces rubbish output.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2025 16:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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