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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52638#p52638</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@GNUser That is fair,.&#160; Btw, to be honest, the only init that is probably as light as sysvinit but still very featured like openrc is runit.</p><p>I still have to learn a bit more on how to use it though. <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2024 10:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52531#p52531</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I was neither endorsing SysVinit nor saying there aren&#039;t better init systems. I was just answering the OP&#039;s question, which is misleading.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Oct 2024 11:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52529#p52529</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>openrc in my experience, its easier to start and stop processes. For example, sysvinit, I have no idea what you need to do to make that happen in pure sysvinit.</p><p>That was my reason for supporting that ideal. But you do you.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Oct 2024 05:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52528#p52528</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>GNUser wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>A new chapter in SysVinit&#039;s history began when Jesse Smith (DistroWatch administrator) took over its maintenance in 2022. There have been several new releases of SysVinit since then, including two releases this year. With each release there are additional enhancements (e.g., minor bug fixes).</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I never knew this. I was under the assumption that there had been no new development on sysvinit in years.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Ron)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Oct 2024 02:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52525#p52525</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>SysVinit has been enhanced multiple times, most notably by the addition of the <span class="bbc">insserv</span> and <span class="bbc">startpar</span> scripts, which serve to organize the boot sequence and start services in parallel, respectively. These scripts lead to a dramatic improvement in boot time. I&#039;ve heard people refer to sysvinit + insserv + startpar as &quot;augmented SysVinit.&quot; Devuan uses augmented SysVinit.</p><p>SysVinit was being used in UNIX in the late 1980s. I&#039;m not sure when the augmentation happened: Based on the years written inside the source files, it may have been <a href="https://github.com/slicer69/startpar/blob/main/proc.h" rel="nofollow">2004</a>. Judging from earliest git commit, it may have been <a href="https://github.com/slicer69/startpar/commit/8b1b5753d04359ecd33942848af1221bb2719485" rel="nofollow">2012</a>. If someone knows the history better, please jump in with the correct year when <span class="bbc">insserv</span> and <span class="bbc">startpar</span> were born. I can safely say it was sometime in the 21st Century <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> My point is that the addition of these scripts was a major enhancement.</p><p>A new chapter in SysVinit&#039;s history began when <a href="https://github.com/slicer69" rel="nofollow">Jesse Smith</a> (DistroWatch administrator) took over its maintenance in 2022. There have been several <a href="https://github.com/slicer69/sysvinit/releases" rel="nofollow">new releases</a> of SysVinit since then, including two releases this year. With each release there are additional enhancements (e.g., minor bug fixes).</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (GNUser)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2024 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52522#p52522</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p><span class="bbu">rolfie</span></p><p>Thank you for the answer.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (stopAI)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2024 11:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52519#p52519</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@stopAI: Don&#039;t expect any further insight, I am a simple user running a small home network with some PCs here. </p><p>I am with Devuan since ASCII was Testing and I discovered that ASCII supported my method of encryption/automatic decryption during bootup I used to use with my Debian installations before systemd. For some reason I started with openRC. </p><p>My experience that openRC did not care for non-critical but irritating error messages, understanding that openRC is more or less just an add-on to sysvinit, reading some of the forum entries and comments from fsmithred and ralphronnquist pointing to sysvinit as the primary init system made me try this on all my installations I have done from last year onward, and I miss nothing.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (rolfie)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 17:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>I have moved back from openrc</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Hello.</p><p>I would like to ask, what is the reason for this? Why did you come back to sysvinit territory?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 12:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52503#p52503</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello:</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>golinux wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Bragging rights perhaps?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Hmmm ... Sharp.<br />You may have a <em>something</em> there.</p><p>From when all init software thing came into my field of view a few years ago, (as a workstation/desktop/laptop user) I could really not understand the benefits of whatever <em>other</em> choice I had besides the default sysvinit software I had running in my system.</p><p>I mean ...<br />WTF4?</p><p>ie: to <em>what</em> advantage?&#160; &#160;&lt;- key question for anyone with a workstation / desktop / laptop / netbook / RPi / etc.</p><p>What I did realise right away (10+ years of MS registry maintenance under my belt) was what a radical change / departure from what Linux is the advent of systemd brought along, so I looked for something else and found <span class="bbc">Devuan</span> Jesse.</p><p>Thanks for that.</p><p>Best,</p><p>A.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 22:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Unless you&#039;re administering a server, service supervision, or lack of, isn&#039;t really a factor.&#160; So it&#039;s not really a con that sysvinit lacks this. If you are a sysadmin, service supervision might make your life easier, as part of your job role may be to keep flakey crap up and running. </p><p>We had a lot of this around 10 years ago:</p><p>&quot;sysvinit lacks service supervision&quot;<br />&quot;you must be a server sysadmin (as per above)&quot;<br />&quot;no I&#039;m just some random opinionated fanboi twat who read lots of Poettering&#039;s blogs - in 10 years from now I will be sneering at those who are reluctant to move to Wayland&quot;.</p><p>My FreeBSD servers run what they need to run using BSD init. systemd units have been less reliable and less untuitive and more difficult to manage.</p><p>This &quot;migrate and upgrade&quot; bollocks comes from the proprietary mindset, where every migration and upgrade is profit for Big Tech corporations.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 22:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52500#p52500</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Bragging rights perhaps?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (golinux)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 21:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I do not see any advantage from using openrc, runit, s6 ... whatever. They promise a lot, but I do not get their benefits.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (rolfie)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 21:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52496#p52496</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@rolfie my point was that, its not just systemd or sysvinit... there are other options. <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 20:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why has no one enhanced sysvinit?]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52493#p52493</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>View of a simple user: sysvinit is just functional, I have moved back from openrc to sysvinit.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (rolfie)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 19:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@all Or you could just use openrc which is way more functional then sysvinit but isn&#039;t that bloated monolith systemd.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 19:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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