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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What do you think about electric cars?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2024 00:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What do you think about electric cars?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Green&quot; is marketing hype . . .</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (golinux)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2024 00:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What do you think about electric cars?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>What does &quot;green&quot; even mean anymore, these days everybody has their own definition. 😆</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2024 00:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What do you think about electric cars?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>GlennW wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p> IMO, I wouldn&#039;t call it Clean, unless they changed the definition of that word too.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Note how they do not call it &quot;clean&quot;, but &quot;green&quot;.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (prospero)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2024 22:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What do you think about electric cars?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well as far as I see it, <br />I will keep short as we are getting old <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /><br />But electric cars + computers. Hard to service batteries. Probably has a lot of capacitors ext. <br />Even gas and diesel now have modems in them with front and rear facing cameras. With radio antennas of course for oldschool radio. Machines built to wardrive by factories owned by a harlot in a world of supply chain issues. <br />The Gas and diesel you can pull out fuses like tar out of a tin can. Also the wireless keys act as a RFID ofcourse they can tag nearby devices almost certainly.<br />I&#039;d say western manufactures are probably the worst but the ecosystem you&#039;d have to talk to a mechanic how he feels about it.</p><p>I&#039;d say they are not worth the price they are asking for. Also heated seat subscriptions classic.</p><p>as far as energy crisis. Well, lithium will be non-renewable. We should of had liquid thorium reactors being built in the 60&#039;s to 70&#039;s but they wanted fast breeders for their weapons potential. But we can conserve things like copper, like golinux says. Less things is more room for knowledge and growth. </p><p>It&#039;s like vegas a fountain in the desert, completely unsustainable, it&#039;s not a question of what makes the water flow but who provides it.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 15:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Just continuing to shout &quot;everyone needs to get on a bike&quot;</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Didi anyone say that?<br />Just for me: I did&#160; 30000km in 6 years with my car, 5000 km / year (3000miles) and most of the time it is standing around for a week or so. A waste of resources.<br />I have 6 options : own car, train, bus, bicycle and walking and an electric rental car here in the village. <br />No car is MY economic solution.<br />I choose to live here because of the train station and not in the next village w/o train station.<br />Why should I keep a car (fuel or electric)?</p><p>Those with a huge toolbox and a selection of spare parts are a different task. They might have an electric workshop truck - on wheels .</p><p>Electric cars come with high capital cost and it is mandatory , that they roll all the time. Probably rental is the solution . <br />The old school &quot;living far from dense population&quot; becomes more and more uneconomic, when cheap fuel disappears.<br />And transport without modal change is also a thing of the past, when transport chains can be organized by internet.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 12:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>sun to produce H2</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Ahh the old hydrgen drum...<br />* Extremely low energy density.<br />* Requires exotic tankage or cryogenics for any attempt to overcome (1) <br />* Is very, very energy inefficient to produce by any current &quot;green&quot; process (which is why most industrial hydrogen is produced through reforming natural gas).<br />* Is a complete bastard to work with, as it&#039;s low molecular weight means it leaks through just about everything.<br />* Is arguably more dangerous than either petrol or lithium-based batteries, due to its broad explosive range.</p><p>If you want to use solar to run a car, frankly you&#039;re better off with batteries for most use cases.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>one-person-plus-one-child cars</p></div></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>bicycle... bicycle... bicycle... ad nauseum</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Tell that to people who need to move a couple hundred Kg of tools and equipment for their job... Or travel from outside of urban centres... Or have more than one child... Or a disability...&#160; Or point-to-point freight in general for that matter... Or any number of other situations where tiny vehicles or bicycles are completely inappropriate.</p><p>&quot;Pedal power&quot; is <em>part</em> of the solution. It&#039;s a long way from the whole story. Likewise rail and electrified public transport. <br />Just continuing to shout &quot;everyone needs to get on a bike&quot; is exactly as effective as &quot;everyone needs to get an EV&quot;, all it does is make transport of everything too heavy or distant to put on a bicycle <em>somebody else&#039;s</em> problem.</p><p>Driving a 2-ton SUV to get milk is patently ridiculous... But so is insisting that everyone should ditch their private vehicles and &quot;just get a bike&quot;.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>has been around since 1879 on the railway with now only 20% of the energy consumption of the trucking industry.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Indeed. Even leaving out the electric part and comparing diesel trains to diesel trucks it&#039;s no contest.<br />What trains can&#039;t do however is roll up outside your house with whatever tat you ordered on amazon 2 days ago. The current lazy online shopper generation is fuelling road transport pretty hard right now.</p><p>As ever, what people <em>really</em> want is a &quot;Buy now and fix climate change&quot;/&quot;Spend and feel morally superior&quot; button. Big corporate (and EV manufacturers) are of course all too happy to oblige, and governments to turn a blind-eye to how ineffectual all that is so long as they can be seen to be promoting <em>something</em> with a nice thick coat of green paint on it.</p><p>Meanwhile the real elephants in the room (of which private transport is decidedly small-fry) go conspicuously unnoticed, and the solutions we do have go unimplemented, largely due to being expensive or inconvenient - either personally or politically.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 11:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What do you think about electric cars?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve no problem with the &quot;electric&quot; in general, but I&#039;d have no power line near my parking space and using public charging stations just would increase the ankle bracelet function of these modern spy-phones on wheels.</p><p>The Y2014 model I currently have probably is the last one I can get without the now mandatory call home function on emergencies/crashes which I do not trust to only phone home then.&#160; It even has only a classic radio instead of an android media centre!&#160; And with only needing to see a gas station 4..5 times a year, a switch to something different just does not calculate for me.&#160; Luckily!</p><p>May it last long and meanwhile: Public transport please improve!</p><p>Ok ... I&#039;m pro electric, but I claim you just can&#039;t get such a thing without being permanently traced.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 10:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=48730#p48730</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Electrical cars as currently built will turn out to be a dead end.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 10:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What do you think about electric cars?]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=48728#p48728</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>With transport, the whole question is in geography. An electric car in sub-zero temperatures is a problem (in practice), but a bicycle is good if your terrain is as flat as a table.</p><p>Population... Experiments have already been carried out on mice; ideal conditions have been created for them. At first the population grew from tens to several thousand, then they became lazy, lost their taste for life and died out completely.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 10:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I sold my car last week. <br />I have a public transport ticket and a bicycle and two legs still in good order. <br />At least here it is possible to have no car and still come around.&#160; <br />NO Car is better than ANY Car from the environmental view. <br />and Railway is better than Street traffic from the environmental view. <br />and no traffic is better than any traffic from the environmental view. <br />Use your choices.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Electric traction</p></div></blockquote></div><p> has been around since 1879 on the railway with now only 20% of the energy consumption of the trucking industry.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 09:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Electric cars are not &#039;green&#039;, they use a large amount of energy &amp; materials to create their batteries, the cars themselves also.</p><p>What happens when one has a crash? The battery is part of the main construction, &amp; apart from maybe bursting into flames, could also leak toxic chemicals.</p><p>We&#039;ve seen what happens with electric bikes &amp; scooters, they burst into uncontrollable fires!</p><p>There was also quite a major fire in a multi story car park somewhere, which, I think, was down to an electric car catching fire.</p><p>No, pedal power, with appropriate gearing, &amp;/or kick scooting is the real solution to our pollution problems! <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 08:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>it is the wrong way! more than 100 years ago did e-cars also had appreciate and because of different questions, they were no success and it was right so.</p><p>in all parts of the world win the desertification new surfaces and has plenty sun to produce H2&#160; this would be a more intelligent use of the resources of the world and would permit to other poor countries deals (surface and security for money!)</p><p>but we also have to reduce the weight of cars and to limit the speed of them! we have to prefer one-person-plus-one-child cars against those terrible SUV&#039;s being in mode since 2000!</p><p>think please about that: Germany, the country having attacked the others several times and thus created the military consumption of steel and having the responsibility of the greenhouse effects</p><p>has YET NO speed limit and drive effective with Porsche, BMW, etc unresponsible speeds...</p><p>for THIS REASON did the humanity never learn to consider how precious is&#160; the energy for us all and for the next generations!</p><p>when the Martians arrive on earth, they will be terrified of our stupidity</p><p>I drive 1100 km/month = 13200 km/y</p><p>bicycle, at 78 y.</p><p>My son, at 40 y (he is physician, has of course driving license (for cars (but also for big river boats!)), did never buy a car and go to the hospital (4 .. 7 km one way, often more than ones / day if to much patients etc.) always with bicycle.</p><p>Completely stupid person continue to use car on distances where a bicycle does easily the same!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 07:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=48723#p48723</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Electric traction? Sure. We&#039;ve had that in various forms for ages, and advances in battery technology have now made it viable (if still a mite explodey) for the private automobile.<br />Electric traction as the solution to anthropomorphic climate change on the other hand... That&#039;s just another episode of the same old consumerist &quot;magic pill&quot; bullshit... See quickfur&#039;s excellent coverage above.</p><p>Now, that&#039;s not to say I wouldn&#039;t want to own an electric vehicle. They do have some advantages, particularly where relatively clean electricity is cheap and charging infrastructure isn&#039;t woefully inadequate.</p><p>However... As far as I can see, it&#039;s next to impossible to really <em>own</em> any modern vehicle, regardless of powerplant. So if someone would like to point out an EV that isn&#039;t a rolling spyware platform full of obnoxious &quot;safety&quot; features designed explicitly to piss me off and prevent my vehicle from doing what <em>I</em> tell it to, I&#039;m listening... <br />Otherwise I&#039;ll stick to my simple, obedient &#039;70s and &#039;80s tech. No cameras, no GPS, no manufacturer phone-home or remote killswitches, no feature subscriptions, no touchscreens, no driver attention monitoring, and most important of all, <em>no goddamn incessant beeping about every trivial thing</em>.</p><p>As for fission vs (fossil fuel) combustion, &quot;clean&quot;ness and timescales... Sure. The only missing component there is that we have some viable solutions for processing and containing spent fission fuel on the table. Carbon capture and storage on the other hand is a complete joke if you take even a cursory look at the numbers (and volume) involved.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 06:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Nuclear energy is &quot;clean&quot; in the same sense that burning gasoline is &quot;clean&quot; after several hundred thousand years, when the effects of its burning have all but subsided or become indistinguishible from the de facto state of the environment then.</p><p>&quot;Clean&quot; fusion has been a dream since the dawn of nuclear technology. So far, it has yet to materialize.&#160; I&#039;m not holding my breath.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2024 23:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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