Wayland would have been killed by the 2nd or 3rd CEO to take the helm after the first few release failures, however, many other excellent projects would likely also have been killed off or not been attempted. However, I think it is safe to say that any project developed with an eye to either popularise, or commercialise linux, is unfortunately also bad for Linux as we know it. I used to really like Gnome - but then someone with "vision" took over and dumbed it down so simpletons would use it (and made it look more like windows) - news flash - instead of windows users adopting it, windows changed into something else, and gnome is still chasing that ghost.

The best projects have always been a developer scratching their own itch. Not someone "with a vision" for the OS as a whole.

Yeah... hurray for those nice folks over at freedesktop.org... There are some other howlers in that thread:

Will we never be free of those pesky serial and parallel ports? Honestly, I think it would be great if my PC still had those!

As  for technology, can't avoid it lol.

Dropping X11 for wayland is just another drop in the bucket called idiocracy

If sharks from a transnational company called Red Hat decided this way, it does not mean that others will do the same.

All evolution is completely GMO.

I became curious when I saw your username for that reason.

Btw, I don't see a benefit to wayland either.  These problems that they are trying to fix, could have been solved if they hadn't kept adding bloated linux frameworks and instead designed efficient lean, applications made with intelligence in mind IN the FIRST PLACE!

Emphasis I felt was needed, bloat makes problems inevitably a hundred times worse. Screw you redhat! Screw you corporations!

Seriously though, this is like web 2.0 and web 3.0, nobody needs javascript or java built into the web. Nor does anyone need novices building the web.

If you want something like the web, linux frameworks such as wayland done right, have an expert do it.

There is zero reason we should have all these security crucial stuff built by greedy simpletons who code as well as I can. The difference being, I admit I cannot develop code well and they have a tiny amount of skill but don't admit how terrible they are.

Btw, in case anyone responds, that a reason is for profit, that they feel like its a good reason. No...

greed justifies nothing. Money is an illusionary reason why something needs to be done. Its a false reason with no purpose.

This being said, I don't like the future of linux right now.  I almost wonder if stuff like my usb mouse, doesn't work because it requires some framework that I detest to make it work.

Dropping X11 for wayland is just another drop in the bucket called idiocracy

Can we really entrust our future to companies that build their fortunes on parent's money for pc room-cell gaming? Last time i checked farmers in Taiwan were suffering in order to sustain the water-hungry TSMC. Can we trust steam to guide the future of the display server??

That's one reason that i prefer more often to look back . Like in How X started..

Game money and gpu money is currently in the driving seat . . .

Perhaps you'd want to add this to your equation . . . It is research from a colleague on a global list of GMO watchdogs for decades. Nvidia seems to have more than a few fingers in this pie and I thought you might find that connection interesting. I will post the introduction here:

Touche!  big_smile

Seems I hit a nerve. FWIW . . . the rage quit and deletion was completely unnecessary and deprives the forum of your thoughts which had value historically if not practically.

Are you answering ? Or fueling with more facts the nonpoliteness that i attributed to you ?

Seems I hit a nerve. FWIW . . . the rage quit and deletion was completely unnecessary and deprives the forum of your thoughts which had value historically if not practically. I hope that you will reinstate it. Problem is that unless there is coordinated ACTION, yes in code, your words merely serve as a postmortem.

Perhaps someone should interact with the folks still putting out the X11 advisories that Altoid has been posting to see what they are planning for X11's future. Their thoughts could be very useful to gauge where things are going at the source . . .

Oh is that all! So easy to say. So useless to say. Show us the fork YOU are going to initiate and we will take your babblings seriously. Hot air does nothing but add to our collective climate woes.  wink

I hope you can make sense of what you write. Because it seems to me that your response except from lacking politeness is also so easy to say  and so contradictory to say.
My 'babblings' will get elevated to not 'babbling' status when i present in front of you code ?
Show me your code ? That is the babbling status elevator ?  Really ?  That old opensource mentality ?
Have you read my arguments? Who drives Wayland developemt ? How  386 arch opensourced X11 started?
Have you tried to answer 'Why no X11 fork exists?'  And lastly have you pondered how ethical are the gaming money?

And i guess all other comments on an offtopic thread have pass you babbling status filter. 
Even comments that promote possibly false inflammatory dichotomies X vs Wayland .

I guess you intend to program the heck out a harmonious libre community  since last time i checked politeness
hasnt been incorporated in any existing programming language.

This is aside from the more philosophical issue of whether Wayland is a good solution or not, which is a question of a different nature.