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			<title><![CDATA[Re: waylandows is crap]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47585#p47585</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>openrc less than 20K vs systemd 790K</p><p>Facepalm.jpeg</p><p>Aye...</p><p>almost 40x bigger...</p><p>simply amazing...</p><p>in all the wrong ways though...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2024 01:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: waylandows is crap]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47346#p47346</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, 790K LOC is totally insane for pid 1. The only place this kind of nonsense is even remotely reasonable is on Windows. 😜</p><p>I&#039;m glad I took the leap and switched to Devuan, and restored some sanity to my system.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (quickfur)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2024 12:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: waylandows is crap]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47343#p47343</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Systemd for example has 1 million lines of code vs openrc which has like less than 100000 lines of code.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Hello.</p><p>Very interesting statistic. Where can i find it?</p><p>P.S.</p><p>Sorry for the noise. I find it <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (stopAI)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2024 12:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: waylandows is crap]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47340#p47340</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>A token is a syntactic unit in a programming language, such as a keyword, operator, identifier, or literal. Most importantly, whitespace or comments are not tokens, so the number of tokens is not skewed by empty lines or the presence or absence of whitespace, unlike lines of code. Also an identifier is a single token, so the number of tokens also doesn&#039;t get skewed by how long or short your identifiers are.</p><p>Of course, token counts are generally not comparable across languages, and depending on what exactly those tokens are the same count may represent different levels of complexity. But it&#039;s generally a more accurate measure than lines of code.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (quickfur)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2024 06:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47339#p47339</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@quickfur tokens?</p><p>1 million lines of code is very damn excessive. Actually, I was wrong, openrc has less than 20K lines of code currently. 1/5 of the limit I had said.</p><p>less than 100k?</p><p>Nah, its less than 20K</p><p>Hmm... thats weird, it looks like systemd must have been getting stuff torn out, because i see it has 790K</p><p><a href="https://openhub.net/p?page=6&amp;query=init" rel="nofollow">https://openhub.net/p?page=6&amp;query=init</a></p><p>But yeah, 790K is still massively unreasonable.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (zapper)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2024 03:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: waylandows is crap]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47308#p47308</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>A more accurate measure is the number of tokens in the code, because LOC can be biased by empty lines, comments, different formatting conventions, etc.. But even that isn&#039;t completely objective either, since it changes depending on language and what kind of abstractions are used. Though the general order of magnitude of LOC is pretty indicative of the complexity of the code.</p><p>But yeah, a million lines of code in systemd is like what on earth is it trying to do 🤨 And do you really want code of this complexity run as pid 1.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (quickfur)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 09:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: waylandows is crap]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47304#p47304</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@quickfur point taken, but either way, would be surprised if the more complex code didn&#039;t have more lines of code usually.</p><p>Systemd for example has 1 million lines of code vs openrc which has like less than 100000 lines of code.</p><p>Its like wtf lol.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (zapper)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 04:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: waylandows is crap]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47271#p47271</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Lines of code isn&#039;t a very accurate measure of anything. What matters is the complexity of the algorithms used and how much work the code does to perform a given task. If a task is complex the code obviously needs more work and resources to arrive at the result. But given a particular task, we can compare how many resources are required by two programs in performing the task. The less resources the better, obviously. </p><p>There&#039;s also of how many features the program has, and how many of them are actually required and how many are redundant or superfluous. Kinda subjective, but if you have a specific usage pattern then a program that offers lots of features unrelated to your usage then obviously it&#039;s not minimal relative to what you use it for. If a feature isn&#039;t used for the majority of use cases, we can say that it&#039;s redundant and the program is bloated and not minimal.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (quickfur)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2024 10:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: waylandows is crap]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47265#p47265</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>re: wayland</p><p>enjoyed this commentary and the comments as well</p><p>ttps://blog.tenstral.net/2024/01/wayland-really-breaks-things-just-for-now.html</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2024 07:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: waylandows is crap]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47261#p47261</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Whoa... &quot;Gnome&quot; and &quot;minimalist&quot;, in the same sentence...</p><p>I think I need to sit down. big_smile</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Gnome and minimalism go together like the idea of drinking sewer water and being healthy go in the same sentence. </p><p>aka, an oxymoron.</p><p>Btw, what determines if something is minimalistic is how much it taxes the system on ram and cpu, more than the line of code.</p><p>Although, if you have complex code and a lot of it being used, the ram usage and cpu usage is bound to go WAY UP.</p><p>So... yeah.</p><p>Feel free to disagree, but that&#039;s my view.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2024 22:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: waylandows is crap]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47253#p47253</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>A comparison of what? Sorry, not very clear from context.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (quickfur)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2024 06:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: waylandows is crap]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47250#p47250</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@quickfur maybe show me a comparison then? I am curious. Probably have to be a vm though. <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (zapper)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2024 02:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47244#p47244</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>other legitimate use cases like remote clients</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Howso?</p><p>TC</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (trinidad)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2024 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: waylandows is crap]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47243#p47243</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>2D drawing primitives that almost nobody uses because these days most programs render directly to buffer instead, or use the GPU&#039;s 3D rendering functions.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>You mean that certain set of 2d primitives is outdated or the idea of a network centric DS having 2D primitives is outdated?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (chomwitt)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2024 20:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47242#p47242</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Whoa... &quot;Gnome&quot; and &quot;minimalist&quot;, in the same sentence...</p><p>I think I need to sit down. <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (quickfur)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2024 19:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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