It's tricky when you install debian's packages into devuan. Might work, but might not also.

There is nothing tricky about Debian packages in Devuan. What is offered in /deb.devuan.org/merged coming from Debian works in Devuan.
Devuan is Debian minus systemd, refer to the list of banned packages. The rest is pure Debian! Devuan just makes sure that systemd init is fully replaced by sysvinit and all the others offered, replacing what is required as base for the rest.

Hi rolfie, a quick question please.
Is this specific to the .deb file downloaded from the virtualbox site?  I use the virtualbox packages from debian - fast track repo for chimaera, daedalus, and excalibur - and the regular repo for ceres.

It's tricky when you install debian's packages into devuan. Might work, but might not also. Nice to know that in this case, vbox could work.

Is this specific to the .deb file downloaded from the virtualbox site?  I use the virtualbox packages from debian - fast track repo for chimaera, daedalus, and excalibur - and the regular repo for ceres.  I do not have "build-essential" package installed, nor do I have any lines in /etc/modules related to virtualbox.  My setup works fine (as far as I know), and I was wondering if I was missing something.

You are right, there are VBox scripts in /etc/init.d. In my long experience I never had to fool with these scripts in any way.

There is no need for any init script for simple applications like firefox(-esr), libreoffice, vlc, virtualbox ....

I'll have to confirm the "virtualbox-situation" but if i remember correctly what i saw in july was some vbox-related scripts under /etc/init.d . I had to link them with "ln -s" in order to make virtualbox work properly. Or maybe i had to run update-initramfs or mkinitramfs to make vbox work. It was a very fuzzy july morning.

Not much difference between being sleep deprived or being drunk.

nahkhiirmees wrote:

I guess distros with systemd work in a sense that i can run firefox and vlc and virtualbox and stuff like that.

There is no need for any init script for simple applications like firefox(-esr), libreoffice, vlc, virtualbox ....

Starting firefox from initscript is not what i meant.
I meant that it is possible to do mundane stuff with systemd-distro as well as with non-systemd-distro.
Couple years ago i changed my main os to Devuan partly because there were other things than systemd in then-current-Debian that i didn't like. The systemd-thing was just icing on the cake.

zapper wrote:

Virtualbox requires systemd, if I recall correctly... that I know of...

That is not correct. I am using VBox now for so many years, I can't really tell how long. And I have always used the package supplied by https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads. On Devuan no issues with systemd all along from ASCII to Excalibur.

Surprising, I thought there was no systemd-free debian build... weird

There is no need for any init script for simple applications like firefox(-esr), libreoffice, vlc, virtualbox ....

I agree. However, I do use the latest .deb file from the official libreoffice site.

It's a pain with all of their constant updates though.

I guess distros with systemd work in a sense that i can run firefox and vlc and virtualbox and stuff like that.
But i'm not fully convinced it is a way to go. On the other hand i sometimes wonder if all those scripts related to sysvinit are absolutely necessary, could you do things another way instead? Make init or inittab do the jobs of those rc-scripts somehow?

There is no need for any init script for simple applications like firefox(-esr), libreoffice, vlc, virtualbox ....

Virtualbox requires systemd, if I recall correctly... that I know of...

That is not correct. I am using VBox now for so many years, I can't really tell how long. And I have always used the package supplied by https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads. On Devuan no issues with systemd all along from ASCII to Excalibur.

To get back on topic, well, I don't speak german so I can't comment on the linked article in the original post.

I would hardly trust virtualbox for this reason alone.

Smh...

NetworkMangler has its place: non-experts who just want networking to work. I sometimes add 1 or 100 or 1000 primary and secondary IP addresses to an IF for testing. The Mangler says, "Hey! I didn't put these addresses here! Delete! Delete! Delete! Hey! If you want to make a change to networking, *ASK ME*! Don't try to go around me!"

That reminds me of avahi. It got in my way when i tried if it is possible to do thing x with dnsmasq. Some webpages have also considered avahi as a security risk.

I guess distros with systemd work in a sense that i can run firefox and vlc and virtualbox and stuff like that.
But i'm not fully convinced it is a way to go. On the other hand i sometimes wonder if all those scripts related to sysvinit are absolutely necessary, could you do things another way instead? Make init or inittab do the jobs of those rc-scripts somehow?

But i'm more familiar with shellscripts and maybe Python and Docker than i'm with C so i guess for now i use sysvinit and that's it.
Familiar in the sense that i can be dangerous with them, i mean

This being said, sysvinit isn't great by itself.

However, openrc, runit, dinit, s6-init, are all way better options than systemd. Hell, even upstart was better than systemd!

What does that say!