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			<title><![CDATA[Re: [SOLVED] memory problem]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=39513#p39513</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@Head_on_a_Stick</p><p>Appreciate your thoughts. Yes, I can upgrade to the new procps and accept the different&#160; memory reporting and hope it&#039;ll be corrected soon. I can also keep the older procps until the problem&#039;s resolved, hopefully soon. I&#039;ve had to put a hold on a pkg several times when the upgrade was available but one or two of its dependencies were not. I&#039;ll keep the older procps for now until some other essential pkg/s require the upgrade. </p><p>FWIW<br />The new procps has libprocps as a dependency. I didn&#039;t find any reported bugs for the library but I did find the links below for procps-2:4.0.2-1 and a fix for 2:4.0.2-2. Neither mentions a memory reporting problem. Despite what was fixed, procps-2:4.0.2-2 caused the memory problem. There might be more bug reports but I didn&#039;t find any.</p><p>Oct 24 2022<br />https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1022573<br />Dec 5 2022<br />https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1025495</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 21:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: [SOLVED] memory problem]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=39512#p39512</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@aluma</p><p>A search in /.local/shared/xorg and /var/log showed no &#039;download&#039; in the current or old files, in either of the sda or sdb OSs. My understanding is the log shows loading/testing/unloading until the correct mix of modules for your hardware is found... screen, mouse, keyboard, etc. When my 24&quot; screen died (DVI to HDMI) and I started using the 37&quot; TV (HDMI to HDMI), no adjustment/tinkering was needed... it just worked. Assuming the download is from some online source, it seems odd and worth checking.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (fanderal)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 21:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>fanderal wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>memory is back to normal</p></div></blockquote></div><p>The memory usage is the same irregardless of the tool used to measure it. Just accept the new procps package, it does not increase your RAM usage, it just reports it differently.</p><p>And sorry for missing that — I did check the procps changelog but obviously not carefully enough.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 16:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@fanderal<br />Here is part of my file, intel video.<br />For example, modules that were previously loaded are unloaded. There is an entry about the download above, it just didn’t get into the screenshot.<br /><a href="https://postimages.org/" rel="nofollow"><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.postimg.cc/3NMz4jcT/pic17.jpg" alt="pic17.jpg" /></span></a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (aluma)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 09:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>rbit wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Maybe this is the cause of the discrepancy?&#160; apt-listchanges news:</p><p>procps (2:4.0.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Downgraded to 2:3.3.17-5+devuan1, rebooted and memory is back to normal.</p><p>Damn fine catch, rbit. Thank you!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (fanderal)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 03:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>fanderal wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Procps was updated on Dec 6: <br /><span class="bbc">[UPGRADE] procps:amd64 2:3.3.17-7.1devuan1 -&gt; 2:4.0.2-1devuan1</span></p></div></blockquote></div><p>Maybe this is the cause of the discrepancy?&#160; apt-listchanges news:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>procps (2:4.0.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium

  * free: Used memory is Total - Available
    This means versions of free after 4.0.0 will show different Used
    values for older frees and some other system utilities.

 -- Craig Small Mon, 05 Dec 2022 21:34:57 +1100</code></pre></div>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (rbit)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 01:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=39496#p39496</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@Head_on_a_Stick</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>I think the OP&#039;s log will be under ~/.local/share/xorg/</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Yes, it is. The <span class="bbc">ps -C Xorg -o user</span> cmd from your link shows X running under USER/me, so the log shows up in my home dir.</p><p>@aluma</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>open /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what it downloads.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Please explain &#039;it downloads&#039; and/or what to look for.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (fanderal)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 20:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The improved security provided by a non-root X is plain, simple fact. It is not an <em>opinion</em>.</p><p>Anyway I don&#039;t want to drag this thread off-topic so I&#039;ve posted how to get EXE to run X under the normal user in the screenshots thread:</p><p><a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=39482#p39482" rel="nofollow">https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=39482#p39482</a></p><p>The advice also applies to Devuan so perhaps it will be useful for the OP even though it&#039;s off-topic here.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: [SOLVED] memory problem]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Head_on_a_Stick wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Tell EXE to stop running X under the root user then, it&#039;s really bad for security...</p></div></blockquote></div><p>It&#039;s you yourself.<br />I have a different opinion on this matter.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (aluma)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 14:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>aluma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I have a GNU/LINUX EXE installed with default system settings. The Xorg.0.log file is exactly where I indicated</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Tell EXE to stop running X under the root user then, it&#039;s really bad for security. Debian moved away from root-owned X <em>seven years</em> ago<a href="https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-Non-Root-X" rel="nofollow">[1]</a> so the derivatives should really catch up. IMO.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=39470#p39470</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Head_on_a_Stick wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><div class="quotebox"><cite>aluma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>/var/log/Xorg.0.log</p></div></blockquote></div><p>That location is only used if X is running under root. I think the OP&#039;s log will be under ~/.local/share/xorg/ but their use of custom startup scripts complicates the picture somewhat.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I won&#039;t argue, I have a GNU/LINUX EXE installed with default system settings. The Xorg.0.log file is exactly where I indicated (in general, in other distributions too, but I never installed X as a user).</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (aluma)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>andyprough wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><div class="codebox"><pre><code>sync; echo 1 &gt; /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
sync; echo 2 &gt; /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches</code></pre></div></div></blockquote></div><p>The kernel is quite capable of dropping the cache by itself if the memory is needed. And anyway the <span class="bbc">free</span> output clearly shows that the buffers are almost empty. See also <a href="https://www.linuxatemyram.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.linuxatemyram.com/</a>.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>aluma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>/var/log/Xorg.0.log</p></div></blockquote></div><p>That location is only used if X is running under root. I think the OP&#039;s log will be under ~/.local/share/xorg/ but their use of custom startup scripts complicates the picture somewhat.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 11:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@fanderal<br />You can open /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what it downloads.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 08:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=39467#p39467</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>... and coming up with a miraculous fix for a &#039;modest&#039; fee.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (fanderal)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 06:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Probably systemd crawled off of one of HOAS&#039;s systems up into the forum software and then down into your computer and started bloating the place up, putting up new wallpaper, buying expensive new furniture, running up huge credit card bills...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2022 03:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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