THERE IS STILL A BUG with devuan's implementation of mate-media - the hardware profile in sound preferences is not persisting.
This works under debian, and also works under a debian system switched to devuan base.

ps, using mintmenu because mate-menu wasnt showing applications!

HOAS is just lobbying you to re-base off of Fedora with Gnome 43 and systemd 252. Maybe throw in a Peppermint-themed Microsoft Edge browser for good measure.

Now that was just humorous.  I got a good laugh from that.  No disrespect intended to HOAS, none at all.

It's funny because it's true. A slight degree of playful disrespect is possibly intended.

The default install doesn't have any Peppermint repositories or packages with all of the custom configuration applied via live build.

Yea, I was surprised to see this also.  If a Pep based theme were to break it could possibly be fixed with a reinstall of the package.

Now that was just humorous.  I got a good laugh from that.  No disrespect intended to HOAS, none at all.

I have the Peppermint-dev installed and I admit ... when I look at my grub boot screen and it displays multiple linux OSs, lately my Pep-dev install gets the click to boot, as in boot into.  It has a good "feel" to it.  That's about as technical as I can get... (-:

(Y)ou have a polkit rule that allows all Python GUIs to run as root.

I dunna t'ink so.
Look a little deeper. Because No , we don't.

You screenshot is from in the live session, the live user peplive has sudo privileges, is in the sudoers group, and the account is set to not require a password. This is for noobs while trying it from the live session. It's also removed in the installed version.   

I really don't have the time for your antics.
Or to sit here while holding your hand and showing you around.
Nor full explanations that you can find on your own , in & on your own time.
Do some actual exploring, on your own.
When you find the PeppermintHub, click on the Update Manager. Then close the Hub and re-open it.

The 404 error, it is unexpected to see that. Do the update from the Hub.

No worries about any of those 3 things happening. At least not with the current Dev team.

As far as anyone's approval...
We're not seeking approval from everyone or the haters from after we moved away from the previous base.
And we ended the discussion of "Which browser is best , or recommended or endorsed" by not installing one.
And by giving a clear path  on where to install one , the browser choice is their choice.
If the current version is not for them, no one is forcing them to use it, they should absolutely use what suites them.

Thanks ! There is a lot of love for Devuan and non-systemd within the Peppermint community and the current Dev team.

@golinux There is no rush from us to see Our listing on the derivatives page.
It will happen in it's own time. Because we have 2 bases , we haven't asked or mentioned it.
When it does happen , I hope we, at Peppermint, remember our good manners by giving an appreciative Thank You !.

Thanks !
KsWoodsMan

Peppermint is now a derivative of Devuan, like MIYO, Crowz, Star, etc.

@KsWoodsMan . . . I would be happy to add it to our Derivatives list, if you like. 

Basically, they are offering their (present, & future users) the option of a systemd free version, that's all.

Have your users not reported any problems from that repository?

Zero, none.

That's good but absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

It's funny but GlennW has just posted this in another thread:

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=37542#p37542

Which might be problematic:

https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=615697

And I would also quote Steve Pusser (the head packager over at MX Linux) on this:

https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php … 43#p709943

Well it is about PeppermintOS and PeppermintOS has the deb-multimedia repositories added (with no pinning) in their default release. So I think we are very much on topic here.

Gracious me, no. I only started using GNU/Linux about 8 years ago. I'm a n00b :-)

If you want to flex on these boards it might be best not to mention you used to work for Red Hat. Their name is mud here. I like them though :-)

Yes, I agree, we are on topic here.

No, that's fine. I have no interest in a thread about your employment history. Perhaps others will though so feel free to go ahead. You certainly seem impressed with how you've done.

I did look at your website and load up the live ISO image but I couldn't really find much beyond extra themes so I thought I would ask you while you were here.

I read https://peppermintos.com/about/ but all that nauseating wank about "DevOps" made my toes curl so much I had to take my slippers off. Is that all an in-joke or are you actually serious about that? I certainly couldn't find anything concrete beyond buzzwords and the usual "minimalistic desktop" bs.

Yeah, tell me about it...

CI/CD is indeed lovely. I was very pleased when I managed to persuade GitHub's Travis CI/CD to build new ISO images for me and upload them to the "Releases" page with full logging and no manual intervention. Saved me loads of time.

But it doesn't really benefit the users directly, does it? I didn't even bother telling my users.

And which applications, exactly? The default install doesn't have any Peppermint repositories or packages with all of the custom configuration applied via live build. And btw the live build documentation does recommend installing custom configuration as packages, which I found to be a more useful approach.

I found the package installer thingy ("Install a Web Browser" in the Welcome window) but that runs a Python GUI as root. And you have a polkit rule that allows all Python GUIs to run as root. That's messed up. Why not run a GUI under the normal user to collect the information and pass that to a script running as root? You could even feed stdout & stderr back to the (non-root) GUI.

Oh, and the Release Notes link in the Welcome window is broken:

HTH

The Nightly, Testing, Unstable and Skinny are Developer builds.
They in no way reflect which area of Devuan these are built from.

You are welcome/

Zero, none.
And this thread isn't about deb-multimedia.com .

Remember RedHat "RPM Hell"  from RH 5.x and RH 6.x or the RH 7.x releases ?
Things happen, something or somethings got past the Dev or their team taking care of an area.
Kind of like ... on September 3, at 24:00 hours. I recognized it was going to happen.
I'm as much at fault as anyone else, for not sending a message so the team member covering that was prompted of the expiration.

So you aren't hi-jacking this thread and neither am I, That is a discussion best suited for a new post.

Again , Let's not hi-jack this thread to cover information that's readily and easily available by doing a "web look-up".
I would say "Google is your 'friend' for this" , though they really aren't. Use DuckDuckGo instead.

It's an opinion. The same can be said for a lot of distros, built on any base.
If, after fully exploring what's there and you don't see any value-add by
PeppermintOS still offering 32 bit PAE support , unlike the previous base,
Or the lighter footprint than the previous release.
Or the CI/CD pipeline and custom applications.
Or that we are community based, with a focus on asking for input from community members.
Or even the direction we are going ...
Then PeppermintOS isn't for you. As it wasn't fully intended to entice veterans from the Linux Community.

With that said, I see no reason to start or conclude an "Internet Debate" in someone else's thread.

@Manyroads, Thank You for the opportunity to dispel any circulating rumors of a testing or unstable branch of Peppermint.

KsWoodsMan

The Nightly, Testing, Unstable and Skinny are Developer builds.
They in no way reflect which area of Devuan these are built from.

Interesting, thanks for the clarification.

But deb-multimedia.com? Really?

We have had so many threads over at forums.debian.net featuring systems broken by that repository that  it has accrued somewhat of a reputation. Infamous is the word, I think.

Have your users not reported any problems from that repository?

EDIT: and what's the deal with Peppermint anyway? What's the USP? Who are the target audience?

It looks like De{bi,vu}an with a facelift to me. Is that unfair?

Nightly => Nightly builds by `cron` available to testers. The last place we test changes (from test builds) before being considered for a Release
Testing => A place for ideas that may or may not ever make it into the Nightly build(s).
Unstable => Neurotically broken area where things are put there because they are maladjusted. This is where attempts to get them working are done.
Skinny => An effort to get an even smaller ISO while still retaining the original functionality. It's trim and it's sleek. It might even boot to a CLI as we are working with it.
You have to break some eggs to make an omelette.
These areas are where various eggs get broken.

There is nothing special about any of them.
In the boot menus, there is a reference to Developers Desktop pointing to /dev/sda126 .
This is so I can leave the USB stick in my Dev Desktop and boot to a partition on my HDD instead of into the live session.
It saves me a lot of time, when doing trials on real hardware.

The apt-pinning:
Standard pinning for installed components is 100.
IIRC , the backports area has the same pinning.
The testing branch, we have pinned with a priority of 50 .
And the unstable branch, we have it pinned with a priority of 10.

This keeps new users from shooting themselves in the foot, as easily, when adding testing and unstable repos to /etc/apt/sources.list .
They can add them to their repo list or the repo list directory but nothing gets installed from there , by default, until the pinning file is removed or edited.
We get a lot of users , new to Linux. This one small thing (apt pinning) saves a considerable amount of "hand holding".

To the best of my knowledge we have never intended to build from the testing or unstable branch.
In my opinion, we'll leave that realm for the developers of other distros to pursue.
We want it to work and not be a "toy" requiring constant fiddling. If their approach is working for them , Fantastic.
I want a fast car too , but I'm not adjusting the lash on solid camshaft lifters every weekend to get it.
And I'd rather put my small amount of time available, towards something besides tinkering (with something that wasn't broken) and support.

Anyone that wants to change up to testing or unstable is welcomed to do so.
If there ever were a warranty of any kind (and there isn't) this would most certainly break that warranty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gACCCmFKP80

It is a nice distro and will be much better once Devuan is the base (IMHO). From what I understand they are already in the process of removing some of the systemd dependant 'stuff' from their distro (like snaps, etc...). btw. they are looking (on matrix.org) for experienced Devuan users to help with their testing, etc.

Interesting they are going semi rolling, so does this mean a similar distro in operation to say mx linux?

A formerUbuntu distro is about to offer both Debian and soon Devuan based releases.

PeppermintOS is expanding and building on Devuan (no-systemd), as well.
https://mastodon.technology/web/statuse … 5732164397

New PeppermintOS release write-up on Forbes:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevang … a556aa328a