I don't know if the installation WITHOUT SOME display manager have to include elogind, libpam-elogind (it starts a deamon before the login!).

Yes. It comes. You need install

xorg

metapackage

an totally UNfriendly system did Linux become along the years...

There are a lot of Linux distros to choose from. Here Devuan users want to know how manage our systems. Other distros take a different way. Nobody is forced to use an specific distro.

wrong

(see above!).

I don't know if the installation WITHOUT SOME display manager have to include elogind, libpam-elogind (it starts a deamon before the login!).

but using

xserv-xorg-legacy

(is not pre installed) permit to choice between 3 level of security.

ACTUALLY all 3 ways are yet a bit unsercure ;-) (not my comment: the application explains it itself in the help comment for the choice, ty it, you will understand, and, I think, that is the most pleasant and ridiculous information...)

I did use the 2d choice as it is the WELL ALLOWED choice permitting to preserve the old usage to start X also with startx as user to avoid super user level,

and can now startx with startx as user!

As I did suppose in my msg from today 00:12:46 (see above)

it is really only a matter of permission (my problem actually: I am French and speak fluent German and understand well some Russian but did only "learn" the BASIC English made by C.K. Ogden with only 850 words ;-) . It is not enough for Linux. More, a lot of Linux gods, creators, write some extremely and fantastic difficult English (-probably because they are themself not mother tongue English speakers-). In essential NEW questions (this point was not so in the first years of Linux! I did never meet until now this point really on the edge) are the man pages only useful if you can read them in (one, if you have more one, of) your language(s) but they often don't exist yet in translation! So they are not known outside the English language room... In this case, it is double difficult, as the system resources are not already allow: you can't enter into X, you can't start an efficient browser, more, I have now (as I can startx with startx, now) open more than 1 (one) Terminal but I can't really read the content of then as the preinstalled Terminal resolution does only able to operate with the resources of "faceSize" and to changer that, I have to change read the man page of faceSize itself, one of the most longer man page of Linux, and that, in about microscopic size as I would have to already know how to use faceSize to permit me to read that man page of faceSize, an absolute idiotic situation!

each Linux installation with X !!!

includes always at least

3 (good usuable) editors (nano, vim and, and, and, and what? the forgotten xedit of course, where 1 good editor would be enough...)

but the standard installation from the main lines of Linux (also Devuan) don't secure that the user meet a Terminal with readable size for all people...

and they force also unexperimented users to search through all the system for a way to change that (debian-menu > selection bash >> some menu text in clear xml code or not >>> name of the command >>>> x-terminal-emulator >>>>> link object = lxterm >>>>>> xterm (says at leat the man page from lxterm))

;-)

What a nonsens!!!

so an totally UNfriendly system did Linux become along the years...

it is not possible!

I can understand the users of Microsoft! A genial distributor since 1990 and longer all always in the country language in in each country language! Never some difficulties to see the letters of the texts... Linux is becoming a pest only made for some gurus, really,..

OpenBSD can also run startx as the normal user. But xenodm(1) is recommended for that operating system.

https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq11.html#StartingX

No, the normal user without root privileges cannot start X via startx - not ex works. This has changed in 6.6 or 6.7 already. SO a dm is a MUST quasi.

@oui: what is your graphics hardware?

https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq11.html#StartingX

startx need root permissions to start X.

^ This is not correct. Running startx as a normal user is better than using LightDM or SLiM because it runs X under the normal user. See https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch … uires-root for the Debian stretch release announcement that states this unequivocally.

I've just installed Devuan daedalus in a VM using the devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220103_i386_netinstall.iso image and that command does not work for my user. I need to run this from TTY1 to avoid a permissions error:

xinit -- vt1

However startx works just fine and starts an X session with xterm.

I think you are confused and have posted a problem about the wrong command...

And just to note:

Don't do that, you can completely break your system with a single typo.

Use this instead:

SUDO_EDITOR=nano visudo

^ That will check the file before saving it.

xinit, vers. 1.4.0, IS installed (and works as superuser). and xdm is not a dependency: it is needed if you will start directly in graphic mode. this is the reason why the "normal" graphic mode (out the console) names "startx"...

it must be an other reason (concerning "rights" perhaps?)...