we don't care if you're liberal or conservative, black or white, we won't bring it up or ask ?? (nor should you).??

~liveexperience ~ obviously a darker and a brighder scinned invdividual are inderchanging opinions suspicious observed by others , so they ask each other which one  of us is de coulered ?? ( a word used in former dimes for non brighter, witer ,  scinned people ?? )

Technology is a part of human culture.

agreed.

separated into three points to clarify agreement with each.

long term i think such a fork is inevitable, but social problems often require cultural solutions. technical solutions can help, though a lot of people put much more stock in them than is reasonable-- for example, the way that facebook and twitter connect the world "like never before" helps things like the arab spring, but are showing their limitations (censorship) and costs (surveillance) as well. there has to be some cultural shift, people who show apathy wont be rescued by all the technological marvels in the world.

Technology is a part of human culture. There are both right and wrong ways of technology usage. Suitability for here and now doesn't mean right way. Actual social media format (facebook/twitter/etc.) is the example of the wrong way. People just don't know that the world communication is not a merit of such social media.

General mechanism (primitive description):
1. Make an illusion.
2. When some critical mass of people believe the illusion is real allow them to force others to live according the laws of the illusion.
3. Transform the illusion laws into real ones.

In case of facebook:
1. Advertise social media service and let people use it as the only and one way of communication.
2. A lot of people use this service. Others have to use it too to communicate with them.
3. "What? No facebook? Are you sociopath? You MUST create your own facebook account!", "We won't hire you because you have no facebook account. It's our company policy.", "I don't care about other sites - I've got everything in facebook!", etc.

https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/why-c … ec7c13b002

fork Linux or make brand new compatible kernel suitable for community driven development (GPLv3 is vital condition). Such technical solution will be very helpful for eliminating non-technical problems like parasite infestation.

long term i think such a fork is inevitable, but social problems often require cultural solutions. technical solutions can help, though a lot of people put much more stock in them than is reasonable-- for example, the way that facebook and twitter connect the world "like never before" helps things like the arab spring, but are showing their limitations (censorship) and costs (surveillance) as well. there has to be some cultural shift, people who show apathy wont be rescued by all the technological marvels in the world.

i agree with you on the nature of sjws.

If anyone has been watching what has happened to the Linux Kernel development, then it should serve as a warning when you let the SJWs get control things.

Ruthlessly judge people on the quality of their contributions, rather than their "wokeness" credentials.

A lot of people think SJWs are "leftists" but it's not true. They are just a corporate tool made with the only aim to attack and destroy community (corporate/industrial terrorism as is). Linux is extremely big heap of code. It's too hard to maintain this heap only with community efforts. Corporations are happy to keep it so ugly because this is their power. By the way, BSD and derivatives can't be solution because all of them are under corporations much longer than Linux.

So the only way I see is to fork Linux or make brand new compatible kernel suitable for community driven development (GPLv3 is vital condition). Such technical solution will be very helpful for eliminating non-technical problems like parasite infestation.

Ruthlessly judge people on the quality of their contributions, rather than their "wokeness" credentials.

Kinda funny how such a mostly cosmetic change draws so much attention

most cosmetic changes dont have much potential for political abuse. devuan on the other hand, largely exists because anybody against a systemd monopoly was treated as a troll and censored.

i dont necessarily think this will be abused, but its potential for abuse makes it worth questioning. mostly though, on a forum that has a secret troll rating its a shame that i cant upvote cynwulfs posts in public. i do on lq and i think a positive reputation system is likely more useful than this one. thats long term-- short term, i doubt it matters. short term, all the stuff debian had in place for managing the community did no real harm at all.

You got it right. There is no way you can find out who are ignoring you (short of bribing me to tell you, of course).

Oh good, bribery - finally something non-technical I can understand (see username).

Do you accept bitcoin?

Or cash in a paper bag, under the ol' ham sandwich?

If someone enters your establishment and trashes the place, you don't allow them to remain on condition they wear a sign over their head.  You boot them out and be done with it.  That's really the only two options you have - allow them to remain or boot them out.

A very good point. I see no reason to have "troll" members in the forum or when somebody comes here to register and see the forums has a bunch of "default" trolls participating in the community. That is no good promotion.

Also the administrators are here to control and decide, that is why they have mod powers. It is not the task of forum members to "police" the forums. Sure they can report such behavior and help out but if everybody has the power to make someone a troll then it can rapidly get out of control and the outcome will be the opposite. 

It would be better that mods and administrators decide together who is the troll and how to deal with him/her and then just ban them or delete their accounts. There is no point of marking members as unwanted but still have them here wearing a sign.

So far most members who have responded to this have requested that the countermeasures be either watered down or for the "threshold" to be raised.  This may indicate that the members who are not causing trouble may not be completely in favour of this, or may have some reservations.

Panopticon made a good point earlier:

I would say that could be extended to "social experiments" where forum staff try to discipline trolls and "modify behaviour".

Sadly the WWW is what it is, some people won't fall into line and you really only have two options.

If someone enters your establishment and trashes the place, you don't allow them to remain on condition they wear a sign over their head.  You boot them out and be done with it.  That's really the only two options you have - allow them to remain or boot them out.

Perhaps if people post about "technical stuff" and just populate the forum with useful threads, this problem might solve itself.

But seriously . . . reports of observed dickheadism by any available method - report, Forum Feedback, email, smoke signal etc. - would certainly be helpful to the d1g administrators.

@ralph.ronnquist . . . regardless of the attribution, the pattern is hijack - antagonize - publicize - victimize

...n'stuff.