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Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (AssassinK786) — Tue, 25 Apr 2023 17:14:23 +0000

aitor wrote:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Danielsan wrote:
It was closed for lack of volunteers but I think it was a great idea.
It would be fantastic if Devuan could inherit and revive this project!
So I take it you're volunteering then? Thanks!
I started working on that:
https://www.gnuinos.org/kfreebsd-13.1/
But I can't make any promises. It's not an easy task.

I started working on debian kfreebsd

there are 3 things i got to know
the port is shown to "in progress" but actually stalled for 2-3years
the debian people are not supportive
there is lack of documentation for this purpose

I'm ready to work on this port
i need just need 2 things
your support &
Proper Documentation

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (pcalvert) — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 18:58:54 +0000

I believe that the Hyperbola Project working on something similar. Maybe giving them a hand would be the way to go.

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (Plentyn) — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 18:21:28 +0000

Everybody should do what bites him. I would be much more intrigued by Devuan L4-Hurd.

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick) — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 15:28:13 +0000

aitor wrote:

I started working on that

That is incredible, thank you for the effort. People like you are what makes the open source community so fantastic.

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (hunter0one) — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 13:24:18 +0000

I agree with Camtaf, if I'm going to use the FreeBSD kernel I would rather use FreeBSD (and I do). The FreeBSD kernel is made for the operating system.

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (Altoid) — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:03:56 +0000

Hello:

Danielsan wrote:

... fantastic if Devuan could inherit and revive ...

I beg to differ, it would be anything but fantastic.

Please don't take it personally but I find it really hard to get my head around what you are proposing.

Devuan quite definitely does not need to inherit other people's projects or invest time and manpower to revive anything.
Much less something that no one else seems to have any interest in.

What the Devuan project needs, in the face of its present situation, is to manage to stay alive.

Like I recently posted elsewhere:

Altoid wrote:

I'm quite sure there are a great many areas where your expertise could be very useful to the Devuan project.
The most delicate part of the balance the Devuan project has achieved is related the dependency it has on Debian.
eg:
As most of us know, Debian's systemd brainchild (pun intended) has left Debian and now works for MS.
Now, if in spite of his having left Debian, Poettering's accolytes decide to continue to push things even further and eventually manage to alter that delicate balance, the Devuan project will undoubtedly be in great danger.
ie: Debian software which now can run on Devuan thanks to the efforts of the Devuan developers/maintainers could directly cease to be available or be too time-expensive for the project's team to adjust them to the systemd-less Devuan.
Eventually, Devuan would have no applications to run and cease to exist.
And, as you surely grasp, that is something that would affect all Devuan based distributions.

The Devuan project cannot under any circumstance afford to undertake this sort of thing.
Makes no sense at all.
What the $%#" for, to what end?

As if it does not already have more than enough on it's developer's/maintainer's plates.

Like I said: the Devuan project, first and foremost, needs to be able to survive.
And that, by itself, is a huge undertaking.

And if it can be pulled off, it will truly be a huge accomplishment.

Best,

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (Camtaf) — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 08:52:09 +0000

I don't really see the point...

Why use a kernel from another O/S - just 'Devuanize' one of the BSDs, if it's the look & feel that you're after.

Alternately, get on board the Hurd project, it was designed to work with GNU (Linux) software utilities.

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (aitor) — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 05:58:09 +0000

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Danielsan wrote:
It was closed for lack of volunteers but I think it was a great idea.
It would be fantastic if Devuan could inherit and revive this project!
So I take it you're volunteering then? Thanks!

I started working on that:

https://www.gnuinos.org/kfreebsd-13.1/

But I can't make any promises. It's not an easy task.

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (mckaygerhard) — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 23:18:45 +0000

yeti wrote:

mckaygerhard wrote:
totally true.. but noted that most of that shit is windosers users .. in fact are hybrid people inflintrating in free softwware projects.. noted that almost haflt of them also works in some M$ project in some way?
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/about/board

facebook, micosfot, vmwaree, samsung, ibm nec, fujitsu, intel.. ORACLE!~ puiffff i retract .. not half or.. ALMOST ALL OF!

full of shit is linux today

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (yeti) — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 15:38:21 +0000

mckaygerhard wrote:

totally true.. but noted that most of that shit is windosers users .. in fact are hybrid people inflintrating in free softwware projects.. noted that almost haflt of them also works in some M$ project in some way?

https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/about/board

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (mckaygerhard) — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:39:30 +0000

Danielsan wrote:

yeti wrote:
I don't remember the timeline good enough, but there was a very unfinished Debian/kNetBSD too, plans for Debian/kOpenBSD, and there still is Debian/(k?)Hurd.
"Debian, the universal OS" ... is this subtitle still in use?
The de facto (k?)Linux monoculture this world is aimimg at is a danger!
That is actually the point, but this is not Linux monoculture, is Red Hat monoculture. I am totally fine with corporate shaping Linux the way they need with their distro, but it is disappointing when all the distros must follow its lead because it wants all the support available to develop and reduce the cost of the products of its portfolio, doesn't matter it is still free software. You kill free software when is developed with corporate mindset.

totally true.. but noted that most of that shit is windosers users .. in fact are hybrid people inflintrating in free softwware projects.. noted that almost haflt of them also works in some M$ project in some way?

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (yeti) — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:19:26 +0000

Don't forget the influence these big players have on the kernel.
That affects all Linux based systems.

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (Danielsan) — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 01:56:51 +0000

yeti wrote:

I don't remember the timeline good enough, but there was a very unfinished Debian/kNetBSD too, plans for Debian/kOpenBSD, and there still is Debian/(k?)Hurd.
"Debian, the universal OS" ... is this subtitle still in use?
The de facto (k?)Linux monoculture this world is aimimg at is a danger!

That is actually the point, but this is not Linux monoculture, is Red Hat monoculture. I am totally fine with corporate shaping Linux the way they need with their distro, but it is disappointing when all the distros must follow its lead because it wants all the support available to develop and reduce the cost of the products of its portfolio, doesn't matter it is still free software. You kill free software when is developed with corporate mindset.

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (yeti) — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 07:05:55 +0000

I don't remember the timeline good enough, but there was a very unfinished Debian/kNetBSD too, plans for Debian/kOpenBSD, and there still is Debian/(k?)Hurd.

"Debian, the universal OS" ... is this subtitle still in use?

The de facto (k?)Linux monoculture this world is aimimg at is a danger!

Re: Devuan kFreeBSD

dummy@example.com (Danielsan) — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:35:56 +0000

The wiki said it was been just a technical preview however it had been the only, working, alternative kernel available for Debian...