my guess is slim could be the issue, have you tried this below in .xinitrc or .xsessionrc ? I dont use slim anymore but im sure it calls on .xinitrc to start the session from memory

dbus-launch --exit-with-session startxfce4

Yep, you were absolutely correct...

zapper wrote:

is there a way to make elogind behave when I use xfce4?

I'm pretty sure elogind works just fine with Xfce because that's what the live ISO image uses.

Please post my requested terminal output.

1 - user (1000)
Okay, here it is:

          Since: Wed 2021-02-17 17:02:46 EST; 14h ago
          Leader: 2227 (slim)
            Seat: seat0; vc7
         Display: :0.0
          Remote: user root
         Service: slim; type x11; class user
           State: active

           Since: Wed 2021-02-17 17:45:58 GMT; 3h 38min ago
          Leader: 1727 (lightdm)
            Seat: seat0; vc7
         Display: :0
         Service: lightdm-autologin; type x11; class user
         Desktop: lightdm-xsession
           State: active

is there a way to make elogind behave when I use xfce4?

I'm pretty sure elogind works just fine with Xfce because that's what the live ISO image uses.

Please post my requested terminal output.

In LMDE, this is done by the 'debian-system-adjustments' package. Perhaps just borrow it?

I would like to be able to assign ctrl+alt+del to reboot, ctrl+alt+u to shut down immediately, and just be able to type it in a terminal without sudo.

Hmm, is there a way to make elogind behave when I use xfce4?

On my devuan laptop I am too lazy to install lumina-desktop, although maybe I should... heh.

Maybe this helps.

rolfie

Most likely a matter of user rights and policies. Maybe related to elogind?

Are you on Beowulf? Which desktop, how do you start? How did you get there? Upgrade from ASCII, fresh install?

rolfie

I have a harem of eee pc and have done all manner of installation positions with them. Beowulf is demonstrating consistency of bug/feature across all, from full desktop install to slimmest netinst with minty-looking desktop.

Last year, on ascii, I went a bit far with autoremove and ended up with a system that had about 550 packages, a desktop, and no permissions to do anything

Most likely a matter of user rights and policies. Maybe related to elogind?

Are you on Beowulf? Which desktop, how do you start? How did you get there? Upgrade from ASCII, fresh install?

rolfie

On the laptop I mentioned, yes. And I installed fresh and... also, I was using xfce4 and went to the option to shutdown from the menu panel mark X.

So, is this something I can disable? It isn't exactly sane or helpful. heh...

elogind sounds like it has some problems then...

I would like to be able to assign ctrl+alt+del to reboot, ctrl+alt+u to shut down immediately, and just be able to type it in a terminal without sudo.

sounds like maybe elogind is not set up correctly?

^ This.

@OP: check

loginctl session-status

Are you on Beowulf? Which desktop, how do you start? How did you get there? Upgrade from ASCII, fresh install?

rolfie

Even gaggle android doesn't have that madness. Although, really, you should be able to shutdown your laptop or desktop regardless of if your logged in or not.

Is this devuan's fault, probably unlikely though... or is this debian's fault, or is it something else?

My guess is its a debian issue. 

This issue is extremely annoying to me. It smells like megalomaniac type behavior, where we know what's best for you.

Thoughts?

small edit, you should be able to shut down your laptop or desktop without a password regardless of if your logged in.