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Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (brocashelm) — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:35:26 +0000

Through Refracta, this is the Devuan that I was looking for. I can leave my previous daily distro behind and not feel bad at all about hating on Poetteringware now.

Many thanks to all the great developers, testers, and support community for getting us this far.

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (Giorgos) — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 10:04:47 +0000

Congrats for the release!!!

Until when, ASCII will be supported?
When is the time limit, for upgrading to stable?

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 23:45:59 +0000

I did find a relatively untouched desktop-live install in a VM. Here's 'ps_mem.py' and 'free -m' outputs. I don't have a netinstall desktop right now.

 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program 

156.0 KiB +  37.0 KiB = 193.0 KiB	uuidd
188.0 KiB +  33.0 KiB = 221.0 KiB	acpid
204.0 KiB +  30.5 KiB = 234.5 KiB	sh
268.0 KiB +  61.0 KiB = 329.0 KiB	rtkit-daemon
280.0 KiB +  53.5 KiB = 333.5 KiB	init
312.0 KiB +  75.0 KiB = 387.0 KiB	cron
360.0 KiB +  89.5 KiB = 449.5 KiB	dbus-launch
436.0 KiB +  27.0 KiB = 463.0 KiB	mdadm
488.0 KiB +  44.0 KiB = 532.0 KiB	rpc.idmapd
692.0 KiB +  39.0 KiB = 731.0 KiB	ssh-agent
508.0 KiB + 225.0 KiB = 733.0 KiB	rpcbind
628.0 KiB + 126.0 KiB = 754.0 KiB	gpg-agent
668.0 KiB + 177.5 KiB = 845.5 KiB	xfconfd
380.0 KiB + 510.5 KiB = 890.5 KiB	avahi-daemon (2)
692.0 KiB + 263.5 KiB = 955.5 KiB	gvfsd-metadata
544.0 KiB + 448.0 KiB = 992.0 KiB	su
276.0 KiB + 744.0 KiB =   1.0 MiB	saned (2)
876.0 KiB + 197.0 KiB =   1.0 MiB	rpc.statd
844.0 KiB + 291.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB	at-spi2-registryd
740.0 KiB + 422.0 KiB =   1.1 MiB	getty (6)
  1.0 MiB + 403.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB	at-spi-bus-launcher
936.0 KiB + 575.5 KiB =   1.5 MiB	gvfsd
  1.4 MiB + 167.5 KiB =   1.5 MiB	ntpd
  1.3 MiB + 274.5 KiB =   1.6 MiB	xscreensaver
  1.6 MiB + 115.5 KiB =   1.7 MiB	exim4
  1.7 MiB +  83.0 KiB =   1.8 MiB	elogind-daemon
  1.6 MiB + 309.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB	bluetoothd
  1.9 MiB + 121.0 KiB =   2.0 MiB	rsyslogd
  1.4 MiB + 809.5 KiB =   2.1 MiB	gvfsd-trash
  1.6 MiB + 641.5 KiB =   2.2 MiB	upowerd
  1.8 MiB + 525.5 KiB =   2.3 MiB	dbus-daemon (3)
  1.6 MiB + 761.0 KiB =   2.3 MiB	cupsd
  2.4 MiB + 352.5 KiB =   2.8 MiB	dhclient
  1.7 MiB +   1.1 MiB =   2.8 MiB	cups-browsed
  2.3 MiB + 469.5 KiB =   2.8 MiB	polkitd
  2.6 MiB + 260.0 KiB =   2.9 MiB	udevd
  1.8 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   3.0 MiB	bash (2)
  2.1 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   3.2 MiB	gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor
  1.9 MiB +   1.3 MiB =   3.3 MiB	panel-6-systray
  2.2 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   3.4 MiB	xfce4-session
  2.2 MiB +   1.7 MiB =   4.0 MiB	panel-2-actions
  3.3 MiB +   1.4 MiB =   4.7 MiB	xfsettingsd
  4.3 MiB +   1.7 MiB =   6.1 MiB	xfce4-notifyd
  4.3 MiB +   2.0 MiB =   6.3 MiB	xfwm4
  6.3 MiB +   1.3 MiB =   7.6 MiB	udisksd
  5.6 MiB +   2.3 MiB =   7.9 MiB	xfce4-panel
  7.2 MiB +   1.4 MiB =   8.6 MiB	wicd-monitor
  9.2 MiB + 870.5 KiB =  10.1 MiB	wicd
  9.2 MiB + 978.5 KiB =  10.2 MiB	slim
 10.2 MiB +   1.6 MiB =  11.8 MiB	tumblerd
 12.0 MiB +   1.5 MiB =  13.6 MiB	pulseaudio
  8.3 MiB +   6.7 MiB =  15.0 MiB	polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
 12.1 MiB +   5.6 MiB =  17.7 MiB	xfce4-terminal
 15.2 MiB +   4.0 MiB =  19.3 MiB	xfdesktop
 13.1 MiB +   6.2 MiB =  19.3 MiB	xfce4-power-manager
 12.7 MiB +   6.9 MiB =  19.6 MiB	Thunar
 17.8 MiB +   3.0 MiB =  20.8 MiB	wicd-client
 20.0 MiB +   1.5 MiB =  21.6 MiB	applet.py
 43.4 MiB +   6.7 MiB =  50.2 MiB	Xorg
---------------------------------
                        333.6 MiB
=================================

              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           1990         286        1456           3         247        1563
Swap:           255           0         255

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (anticapitalista) — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 18:58:45 +0000

seems like the refracta one is not connected to the net.

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (HevyDevy) — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:06:47 +0000

here you go.

netinstall ...

 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program

112.0 KiB +  61.5 KiB = 173.5 KiB	sleep
120.0 KiB +  62.5 KiB = 182.5 KiB	run-parts
 88.0 KiB + 115.5 KiB = 203.5 KiB	sh
100.0 KiB + 115.5 KiB = 215.5 KiB	apt-compat
216.0 KiB +  91.5 KiB = 307.5 KiB	anacron
300.0 KiB + 130.5 KiB = 430.5 KiB	init
312.0 KiB + 169.5 KiB = 481.5 KiB	cron
584.0 KiB + 282.5 KiB = 866.5 KiB	dbus-daemon
452.0 KiB + 419.5 KiB = 871.5 KiB	su
664.0 KiB + 319.5 KiB = 983.5 KiB	login
616.0 KiB + 672.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB	getty (5)
  2.8 MiB + 330.5 KiB =   3.1 MiB	udevd
  2.8 MiB + 494.5 KiB =   3.3 MiB	bluetoothd
  2.1 MiB +   1.6 MiB =   3.6 MiB	bash (2)
  3.6 MiB + 258.5 KiB =   3.8 MiB	dhclient
  3.9 MiB + 121.5 KiB =   4.0 MiB	rsyslogd
---------------------------------
                         23.7 MiB
=================================

refracta install ...

 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program

124.0 KiB +  47.5 KiB = 171.5 KiB	acpi_fakekeyd
192.0 KiB +  86.5 KiB = 278.5 KiB	acpid
208.0 KiB +  72.5 KiB = 280.5 KiB	atd
224.0 KiB +  77.5 KiB = 301.5 KiB	gpm
324.0 KiB + 113.5 KiB = 437.5 KiB	init
316.0 KiB + 151.5 KiB = 467.5 KiB	cron
616.0 KiB + 266.5 KiB = 882.5 KiB	dbus-daemon
600.0 KiB + 681.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB	getty (5)
  1.0 MiB + 312.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB	login
  1.1 MiB + 404.5 KiB =   1.5 MiB	sudo
  1.3 MiB + 254.5 KiB =   1.6 MiB	sshd
  1.6 MiB + 207.5 KiB =   1.8 MiB	rsyslogd
  1.7 MiB + 113.5 KiB =   1.8 MiB	elogind-daemon
  1.7 MiB + 252.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB	ntpd
  2.4 MiB + 477.5 KiB =   2.8 MiB	brltty
  2.6 MiB + 217.5 KiB =   2.8 MiB	bash
  2.8 MiB + 263.5 KiB =   3.1 MiB	udevd
---------------------------------
                         22.7 MiB
=================================

Edit: the netinstall was as basic an install as you can get, just standard system utils and nothing else under sysV as init on both. Looks like refracta installer is a bit better at user desired input like sudo, elogind-daemon and acpid etc, i suppose that is from what the live session uses as the install media for both live and netinstall differ a great deal in size. Still i dont see much of any resource hogging on either installs, but that is just my experience.

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 13:17:27 +0000

HevyDevy, thanks for checking that. If you have ps_mem.py, I'd like to see the output.

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (HevyDevy) — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 12:01:06 +0000

Ok i did some installs today.

one netinstall and one minimal live install on bare metal partitions multibooting.

Not much difference in the two in my opinion, slightly higher ram for refracta not much though only 5mb.

So uptime of 1 minute from bootup refracta install had 91 mb and netinstall had 86.

cpu usage was nominal on both same with processes at around 130 for both.

I did notice brltty was running as a top process on the refracta install and not on the netinstall, could this be a performance hit?

Edit: ill keep them installed for awhile if there is anything specific you would like to see fsmithred.

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (HevyDevy) — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 15:11:26 +0000

fsmithred wrote:

Edit: interesting tidbit Jessie brought up in regards to the difference in the live installation and the install media, apparently the live installer which is refracta-installer gains 20% percent more resource usage over the devuan/debian installer?
I saw that, and I don't know what's causing it. The live does have some extra packages and some of those have scripts in /etc/init.d, but I don't see anything running in 'ps ax' such as live-boot or haveged. Maybe the difference is due to the desktop-live having gvfs-backends installed. I don't have two clean installs to compare right now, and I'm kinda burned out on installing. Will have to remember to look at this later.

Ive enough bandwidth now to see if this is true or not, ill likely do some installs over the weekend.

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (Marjorie) — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 14:48:38 +0000

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

Looks like it's been this week's DistroWatch Weekly review.

to save seaching for it, it's here:

https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issu … 622#devuan

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 14:28:27 +0000

Edit: interesting tidbit Jessie brought up in regards to the difference in the live installation and the install media, apparently the live installer which is refracta-installer gains 20% percent more resource usage over the devuan/debian installer?

I saw that, and I don't know what's causing it. The live does have some extra packages and some of those have scripts in /etc/init.d, but I don't see anything running in 'ps ax' such as live-boot or haveged. Maybe the difference is due to the desktop-live having gvfs-backends installed. I don't have two clean installs to compare right now, and I'm kinda burned out on installing. Will have to remember to look at this later.

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (HevyDevy) — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 13:23:47 +0000

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

Looks like it's been this week's DistroWatch Weekly review.

Pretty good review too, brings up some minor details like runit and the installer but overall pretty decent.

Edit: interesting tidbit Jessie brought up in regards to the difference in the live installation and the install media, apparently the live installer which is refracta-installer gains 20% percent more resource usage over the devuan/debian installer? Perhaps refracta is picking up more resources than it needs to in some instances?

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (Somewhat Reticent) — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 02:23:46 +0000

Looks like it's been this week's DistroWatch Weekly review.

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick) — Sat, 20 Jun 2020 11:08:14 +0000

Note that the Debian buster release notes advise to use

# apt full-upgrade

to upgrade from stretch so that should probably also be used for ASCII.

Reference: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ … ng.en.html

EDIT: your system will be far less reliable if you've just added the beowulf sources and used apt-get upgrade.

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (larsH) — Sat, 20 Jun 2020 07:27:21 +0000

You are on ascii-stein (as in Frrankenstein the monster). Almost no new features are being installed. Only packages that requires no new dependencies or removals are being updated. But if it stable at the moment wait until you feel ready to finish the upgrade. Good luck with your upgrade

Have a nice day
Lars H

Re: Beowulf 3.0.0 is here!

dummy@example.com (cyberguy) — Sat, 20 Jun 2020 06:48:16 +0000

thanks to all involved for the great work.

I was using ascii (2.1) After including the beowulf repositories in sources.list and running

suo apt-get update

I ran

sudo apt-get upgrade

everything went smoothly.
I want to work for a few days before I run

sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

Will it be correct to claim that I am now running beowulf, or am I still on ascii.