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Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (tlathm) — Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:28:00 +0000

Awesome nixer! Thanks for the detailed reply! I'll have to test that out at some point.

Thanks again
Tom

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (nixer) — Thu, 26 Jun 2025 14:27:41 +0000

Greetings tlathm,

I tested this a couple years ago and it did work. I have a virtual machine that is an exact duplicate of my production server that I use to test stuff on. I updated this virtual machine and ran this command with the following output:

root@FC-vm:/etc/fail2ban# apt install php8.3-fpm -s
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
systemd-standalone-tmpfiles
The following NEW packages will be installed:
php8.3-fpm systemd-standalone-tmpfiles

Also, to quote from a google AI search result:

For a Debian system that isn't using systemd as its init system, you can use the
systemd-standalone-tmpfiles package as a standalone alternative to systemd-tmpfiles. This package provides a version of systemd-tmpfiles that can be used on non-systemd systems.
Important Notes:
Conflict with systemd: systemd-standalone-tmpfiles conflicts with the main systemd package and is intended for use where systemd is not the primary init system.

So, this package "systemd-standalone-tmpfiles" is only to be used on systems that do not use systemd as its init system.

Note: At some point you may be prompted by apt to install "systemd-standalone-sysusers". There is a substitute program for this called opensysusers. I have found that it is interchangeable and does not have systemd in its name.

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (tlathm) — Wed, 25 Jun 2025 12:16:28 +0000

Resurrecting this old topic, because I'm trying to understand the current situation with the sury.org packages which I've used in the past:

Am I to understand that I could install PHP 8.3 PHP from sury.org on Daedalus as long as I first install systemd-standalone-tmpfiles?

Thanks in advance!
Tom

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (Sich) — Tue, 23 Jul 2024 10:44:38 +0000

Is there any documentation on how to build those packages ?
I look to switch on Devuan, but this is a critical point for me...

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (zapper) — Mon, 24 Jun 2024 21:44:46 +0000

I never really use php or apache, but then again, I don't use server like applications... so yeah.

I can't say if anything better exists or not. Or even similar or alternative.

All I can say is, yes... debian is muking with things sounds about right. All mainstream distros do this tho...

Except maybe Void.

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (cmaurand) — Mon, 24 Jun 2024 21:32:26 +0000

Hello,

I have found this thread to be very helpful and have used this solution on quite a few servers. Are there any plans to extend this to PHP 8.3?

Thanks

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (Sich) — Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:50:18 +0000

nixer wrote:

I apologize even before I ask this as I hope that I do not appear to be impatient, but will php packages for daedalus be built by tdrnetworks.com any time soon? Just trying to plan an upgrade eventually. I have used these packages without issue for over 3 years now, so I trust them.
I did run a test by upgrading to deb.sury.org's packages for daedalus and they appear to work fine, so this is a possibility. If using sury.org's repo one will need to install "systemd-standalone-tmpfiles" beforehand.
But I did get an awful feeling when I willfully installed something with "systemd" in its name.

The fact that I can't use php-sury on Devuan is a big issue for me too...
I will probably need to dig on how to manage that by myself if I want to use it in production...

Debian is slowy getting really annoying with is systemd crap...

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (nixer) — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 23:29:21 +0000

I apologize even before I ask this as I hope that I do not appear to be impatient, but will php packages for daedalus be built by tdrnetworks.com any time soon? Just trying to plan an upgrade eventually. I have used these packages without issue for over 3 years now, so I trust them.

I did run a test by upgrading to deb.sury.org's packages for daedalus and they appear to work fine, so this is a possibility. If using sury.org's repo one will need to install "systemd-standalone-tmpfiles" beforehand.

But I did get an awful feeling when I willfully installed something with "systemd" in its name.

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (zapper) — Wed, 08 Mar 2023 21:07:50 +0000

tdrnetworks wrote:

Hi All,
We have now pushed a number of updated packages.
PHP 8.0, 8.1, and 8.2 are now available for ascii, beowulf, and chimaera.
All php modules on our build-list, for example php-imagick have been refreshed to include 8.2 support.
Out of support versions, such as Devuan Jessie and versions before PHP8, are no longer getting updates - but will remain available in the repo.
apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 1CC02413BFF88108

### PHP Rebuilds for Devuan Ascii
deb https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan ascii main
deb-src https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan ascii main

### PHP Rebuilds for Devuan Beowulf
deb https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan beowulf main
deb-src https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan beowulf main

### PHP Rebuilds for Devuan Chimaera
deb https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera main
deb-src https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera main
Regards,
TDR

I didn't know you guys still supported Ascii.

To the best of my knowledge, is it on LTS now?

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (tdrnetworks) — Wed, 08 Mar 2023 15:51:03 +0000

We have now updated the TDR repo, to be signed with a different, renewed GPG key.

6EC19985C8047261

https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan/gpg.key

apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 6EC19985C8047261

Regards,

TDR

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (mckaygerhard) — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:41:37 +0000

reltab wrote:

Hi,
is this the right place for this message?
Err:5 https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera InRelease
The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 1CC02413BFF88108 TDR Networks Builder
Hit:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports InRelease
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 1CC02413BFF88108 TDR Networks Builder
E: The repository 'https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera InRelease' is not signed.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.

just bypass with [trusted=yes] after "deb" and before "http" in the repository line.. its nto a big issue, just another paranoic security layer

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (reltab) — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 17:18:01 +0000

Hi,

is this the right place for this message?

Err:5 https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera InRelease
The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 1CC02413BFF88108 TDR Networks Builder
Hit:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports InRelease
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 1CC02413BFF88108 TDR Networks Builder
E: The repository 'https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera InRelease' is not signed.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (nixer) — Mon, 20 Feb 2023 13:09:59 +0000

Well done and much appreciated!!

I agree. Thank you.

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (golinux) — Mon, 20 Feb 2023 04:08:55 +0000

Well done and much appreciated!!

Re: deb.sury.org now requires systemd

dummy@example.com (tdrnetworks) — Mon, 20 Feb 2023 03:43:03 +0000

Hi All,

We have now pushed a number of updated packages.

PHP 8.0, 8.1, and 8.2 are now available for ascii, beowulf, and chimaera.

All php modules on our build-list, for example php-imagick have been refreshed to include 8.2 support.

Out of support versions, such as Devuan Jessie and versions before PHP8, are no longer getting updates - but will remain available in the repo.

apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 1CC02413BFF88108

### PHP Rebuilds for Devuan Ascii
deb https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan ascii main
deb-src https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan ascii main

### PHP Rebuilds for Devuan Beowulf
deb https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan beowulf main
deb-src https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan beowulf main

### PHP Rebuilds for Devuan Chimaera
deb https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera main
deb-src https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera main

Regards,

TDR