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Enjoy!

avbox wrote:

VirtualBox I could not test, I did not find the swith to enable UEFI (if someone can test or post the way to activate uefi), that would be helpfully.

Hi avbox,

Hopefully this will help...

1.  When you open VirtualBox, click (to highlight) the OS that you want to run in VirtualBox.
2.  Click Settings
3.  When the Settings window opens, click System in the side bar.
4.  In the Motherboard tab, put a check mark next to "Enable EFI (special OSs only).
5.  Click Okay.
6.  The Settings window will close, and you can then click the Start button to start the OS in EFI mode in VirtualBox.

Even on my version I did not find a 'Motherboard' tab, I foundet it. Unfortunatelly with the release I made yesterday it did not work. The reason was/is that with efi you need a special virtualbox graphic driver from kernel. Now it is addd and it works. Just a side node, the virtualbox grafik driver is only in kernel 5.2.x in mainline, in 4.9.x you find it in the staging area. At the same time I added lz4 compression for kernel and initrd (but for me it does not make very big difference even it is a bit faster at first stage of booting).

I once would like to add here, that it works perfect two with 2 gb of ram (I only could test it virtually because I don't have any machines with less then 4 gb ram).

I again want to say thank you for all the input you gave. I hope that not only the devuan community sees that with devuan it can be very fast and easy. If soneone wants to put it in the derivatives list -- this is up to you.

And yes, any wishes (if it is possible for me) will be very welcome.

VirtualBox I could not test, I did not find the swith to enable UEFI (if someone can test or post the way to activate uefi), that would be helpfully.

Hi avbox,

Hopefully this will help...

1.  When you open VirtualBox, click (to highlight) the OS that you want to run in VirtualBox.
2.  Click Settings
3.  When the Settings window opens, click System in the side bar.
4.  In the Motherboard tab, put a check mark next to "Enable EFI (special OSs only).
5.  Click Okay.
6.  The Settings window will close, and you can then click the Start button to start the OS in EFI mode in VirtualBox.

fsmithred wrote:

I tried the avmultimini.iso. Thanks for putting that up. Here are some notes you might find useful.

I can get it to boot in qemu (with kvm) in legacy bios mode with 'eno' boot code. If I try uefi mode, it hangs on the archivista splash screen. The vertical size of the window increases to 2-3 times normal height, and I have to resize the window to see the bottom of the screen. After a few minutes of this, the cpu starts to get hot.

I recommend to use LEGACY bios so far for virtualization test. The screen resolution problem I too have with the bios file OVMF.fd. I will sooner or later take care about it. But one question with which other Linux does it work?

fsmithred wrote:

I can't get it to boot in virtualbox. Tried uefi and legacy bios.

All over the weekend I searched for the bug about starting it in uefi mode with kvm/qemu. Fact was, with the older release (kernel 4.19.x) it worked, while with the kernel 5.2.x it did not work. Aflter a long search and some hundreds of restarts I found out it just was a kernel module that I had to disable: CONFIG_X86_SYSFB. If someone is interested in the problem, see here https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/57479

VirtualBox I could not test, I did not find the swith to enable UEFI (if someone can test or post the way to activate uefi), that would be helpfully.

II can get it to boot in qemu (with kvm) in legacy bios mode with 'eno' boot code. If I try uefi mode, it hangs on the archivista splash screen. The vertical size of the window increases to 2-3 times normal height, and I have to resize the window to see the bottom of the screen. After a few minutes of this, the cpu starts to get hot.

I can't get it to boot in virtualbox. Tried uefi and legacy bios.

Due to the fact that we don't support VirtualBox (support for KVM is no problem, just use aqemu for a graphical frontend), I checked it this morning on a freshly installed siduction client. It works without any problems:

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But I would like to add the following points for anybody who is trying it in a virtualized mode.

First, AVMultimedia.iso has a very new 5.2.x kernel, so if you don't have a newer kernel, I would recommend to use at least KVM. Alternatively you can use avmultimedia_old.iso (this has an older 4.19 kernel).

Second, at this stage I recommmend to use LEGACY bios. And take in mind, that even AVMultimedia is installed in uefi mode on a empty disk (if you profide one), yu can start it with LEGACY mode from ISO file.

fsmithred wrote:

Changing the keyboard layout presented some problems. First I tried 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration'. I wanted to log out and in again to get it to take effect, but there's no way to log out of the desktop. I tried 'init 1' and nothing happened. I finally tried alt-sysrq-k and was able to restart the desktop. Keyboard was still German. This was especially frustrating for me because it made it impossible to do some things in the terminal.

Then I went into the desktop settings and found the keyboard layout settings. The drop-down menu for countries goes off-screen, and I can't scroll down.

While just starting for a keyboard tool, I found out, you can set it via console with setxkbmap fr (where fr stand as example, could too be it or us). Unfortunatelly I does not change the keyboard in Control center.

The keyboard tool is now available. After downloading the current release I will find a new icon in the panel at right (just left of the icon to shutdown the machine). It does list all keyboards that are in the system available. There would be a hundred of variants (so I only included Swiss French & Swiss Italien). If you see some variants that ure used very common, just let me know.

The keyboard definitin needs to be saved if you want it to have preconfigured through AVMultimedia. You can do this under menu System, submenu AVMultimedia & Parameters. There choose 'Save Desktop'.

Please let me know if it does work. If so, I can start having a look for the virtualization "problems". If you (or someone else) has any whishes, please let me know.

Thanks! I forgot about that one. It works instantly.

Also, I mis-reported one thing above. After killing the desktop with alt-sysrq-k, the change in keyboard-configuration took effect, and I got the us keyboard.

I didn't get to try the installer but hope to do that some time. Too much other stuff to do now. If anyone else tries it, please let me know.

Changing the keyboard layout presented some problems. First I tried 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration'. I wanted to log out and in again to get it to take effect, but there's no way to log out of the desktop. I tried 'init 1' and nothing happened. I finally tried alt-sysrq-k and was able to restart the desktop. Keyboard was still German. This was especially frustrating for me because it made it impossible to do some things in the terminal.

Then I went into the desktop settings and found the keyboard layout settings. The drop-down menu for countries goes off-screen, and I can't scroll down.

While just starting for a keyboard tool, I found out, you can set it via console with setxkbmap fr (where fr stand as example, could too be it or us). Unfortunatelly I does not change the keyboard in Control center.

I tried the avmultimini.iso. Thanks for putting that up. Here are some notes you might find useful.

I can get it to boot in qemu (with kvm) in legacy bios mode with 'eno' boot code. If I try uefi mode, it hangs on the archivista splash screen. The vertical size of the window increases to 2-3 times normal height, and I have to resize the window to see the bottom of the screen. After a few minutes of this, the cpu starts to get hot.

I recommend to use LEGACY bios so far for virtualization test. The screen resolution problem I too have with the bios file OVMF.fd. I will sooner or later take care about it. But one question with which other Linux does it work?

I just need to install a computer where virtualbox does run, but I will check it out. Thank's for the hint.

Yes, this is true. The project started in Switzerland, and so far I did not find out how to change the language outside of Kodi. But you can change to English and from then it belongs to the choosen language (all settings are stored in /home/archivista/data/kodi).

Currently, you really have to to switch language in Control center. All other ways don't work so far.

You can use the arrow keys to switch to the desired language. In older release of Mate, there was a list and it was much easier to choose. I think about a keyboard tool, just give me some time.

Yes, pulseaudio is some way a bit tricky, but much better to choose devices (i.e. HDMI or internal card with headphones).

I too check all ISOs first it in a KVM guest, this is true. At this stage just disable UEFI and you are fine. So better support of VMs would be fine.

But I think, choosing the keyboard in an easy way is more important, so if you agree I first will focus an this.

I can get it to boot in qemu (with kvm) in legacy bios mode with 'eno' boot code. If I try uefi mode, it hangs on the archivista splash screen. The vertical size of the window increases to 2-3 times normal height, and I have to resize the window to see the bottom of the screen. After a few minutes of this, the cpu starts to get hot.

I can't get it to boot in virtualbox. Tried uefi and legacy bios.

It boots normally from usb. Booted it in legacy bios mode with 'eno' boot code.

The language was English except for kodi, which came up in German.

Changing the keyboard layout presented some problems. First I tried 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration'. I wanted to log out and in again to get it to take effect, but there's no way to log out of the desktop. I tried 'init 1' and nothing happened. I finally tried alt-sysrq-k and was able to restart the desktop. Keyboard was still German. This was especially frustrating for me because it made it impossible to do some things in the terminal.

Then I went into the desktop settings and found the keyboard layout settings. The drop-down menu for countries goes off-screen, and I can't scroll down.

I did not have any problems with the display orientation. The buttons on the panel work and are very cool. That's the first time I've ever been able to rotate the screen. (I don't need it, but I have tried it out of curiosity. Nice to see it finally work.)

It was also nice to see the pulseaudio volume control work. I haven't had good luck with that in the past.

Getting it to run in virtualbox or qemu is probably not essential to using it, but a lot of people like to test new isos in a virtual environment, for convenience.

First an apology for not seeing this page earlier.  My bad.  If I had been more diligent you wouldn't have been bothered with having to post the above response.  But probably a good idea to have it here so others won't have to go on the hunt to find it.

Anyway . . . your request was discussed today and our biggest concern was for possible trademark infringement for example:

1. Microsoft Windows logo on the panel applications menu

2. Programs in the LibreOffice suite are rebranded using the trademarked logos of Microsoft Office

3. Icons used throughout the desktop are largely pulled straight out of Windows 10.

We understand why this approach would help to transition newcomers  to Linux but hope you understand why that would be a showstopper for us.  Perhaps you would reconsider that decision.

I would like to answer the following:

a) I'm not a legal expert and I don't know if you are one?
b) Yes, there was some similarity to Windows icons of this well know Company. Just to be clear, in nearly every icon theme you will find some icons that look like the ones used in other OS. As I understand it, as long as you respekt trademark, use is not a problem (there was once a dark age, where there was a fight if Microsoft can use the trash icon that Apple claimed and originally camed from Xerox, if I remember right). The icons AVMultimedia used are hosted on github.com (which belongs to Microsoft). How can it not be legally when even the hosting company Microsoft does not complain about it? You even just find a big article about installing it under Linux, see https://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cb- … 55013.html (I don't think this is a non commercial site). Also there is a longer discussion about it (from year 2000) under https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index. … 92408.html. When the choose of the icon was made, I did check all this seriously and I camed to the conclusion that at least the use for a non commercial project is ok (even there you find use in a commercial sense). Again, I'm not a legal expert, but use was not/never done in a manner you write here.

Examples: NO, i did not use the Microsoft Windows logo anywhere (this is completely wrong!). A similarity to a icon of another OS is NOT using the Microsoft Windows logo/tradmark (as long as I understand it). Same with LibreOffice, the Brand MicrosoftOffice was never used. In the manner you write it. One could get the impression that AVMultimedia wanted to make people think there is Microsoft Windows or MicrosoftOffice (Microsoft Windows, MicrosoftOffice are trademarked by Microsoft), but this is/was not/never the case. You even write the Icons are largely pulled straight out of (Microsoft) Windows 10. I checked the work again (icon set) and I did not had any signs, that the icons were copied from Microsoft Windows (see too at mate-look.org). And I also have to note here, AVMultimedia never used a Microsoft Windows theme (since beginning it is Blue-Submarine and nothing else).

Nevertheless I changed it and I would like to add the reasons too:

1) The new icon theme is fully svg based (so modifications are very easy), see https://github.com/bikass/korla

2) As I wrote in FAQs under http://archivista.ch/cms/en/support-2/avmultimedia-2/, AVMultimedia started as a pure 100% non commercial project. As it is too written in the FAQs, now the development is paid by my company because it is too much work (and yes, our document managment customers will get it sooner or later). The legal use in that sense could be a problem (especially if even people on Devuan forum wrongly write here AVMultimedia would be make use of Microsoft Windows Logos, what again never was the case). In business rules it is not only important how you use it, it is also important in what manner it is recognised by normal users.

3) If it is not ok for the Devuan community, I have no problems to change it. I would like to live in freedom.

Frankly spoken it would be fine to post it in a way it is reproducable for me. But let me add here, that correct changing of keyboard is too described in the FAQs and about correct screen orientation, I think this is more a user case because you find in bottom right two icons to switch from landscape to portrait screen mode. I see that the larger amount of screens you can't rotate, but on tablets it is a must. If it is something different, please report so I could take care.

Last point: Booting it in a VM. Well, I'm a bit confused. All development is done virtually in KVM (it runs all the time virtually). All you need is to include iso to start, where is the problem? And yes, you need for the full version 4 gb of RAM, but this is too written in the FAQs (and earlier in this thrad). If you only have 2 GB, just use avmultimini.iso. But if soneone has troubles with running it in VMs, again it would be helpfully to post it here. And yes, apart of posting it here, there is a support forum http://help.archivista.ch/forum (there you could too post it).

So I'm ready for any feedbacks.

Anyway . . . your request was discussed today and our biggest concern was for possible trademark infringement for example:

1. Microsoft Windows logo on the panel applications menu

2. Programs in the LibreOffice suite are rebranded using the trademarked logos of Microsoft Office

3. Icons used throughout the desktop are largely pulled straight out of Windows 10

We understand why this approach would help to transition newcomers  to Linux but hope you understand why that would be a showstopper for us.  Perhaps you would reconsider that decision.

Other than that there were reports of incorrect screen orientation and keyboard issues and a wishlist item to be able to boot it in a VM.  Those are not a big concern for us as we realize it is part of a process in which the Devuan community can participate.

As mentioned above, I am unable to explore myself because my systems are 32 bit so this post is a collation of others' comments.