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Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (ToxicExMachina) — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:19:49 +0000

https://hackaday.com/2019/10/16/pack-yo … -new-home/

In addition to user and user-based system management, the home directory itself will be linked to it as a LUKS encrypted container — and this is where the interesting part comes, even if you don’t see a need for a unified configuration place: the encryption is directly coupled to the user login itself, meaning not only is the disk automatically decrypted once the user logs in, it is equally automatic encrypted again as soon as the user logs out, locks the screen, or suspends the device. In other words, your data is inaccessible and secure whenever you’re not logged in, while the operating system can continue to operate independently from that.

It sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryptoLocker

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (Nili) — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:51:40 +0000

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#systembsd
Not an official effort though: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=141135403820631&w=2

I'm glad i was wrong, because in BSD i see myself there more than Linux, although i am enjoying traveling on Alpine board atm.

Nili wrote:

At the moment the systemd package has a hard dependency on glibc and the corporate overlords are only really interested in maintaining the Linux dominance in the server & supercomputer markets. I don't think the Linux Foundation gives a crap about the desktop 'cos all the users are freeloading deadbeats. LOL.

Even i don't mind much about them until there is an open door.
I'm glad aswell there are still minimalistic distro for some that like to tinker a bit.

Thanks for the links, worth reading

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick) — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 16:58:27 +0000

fsmithred wrote:

What does "Queriable via Varlink interface." mean?

https://varlink.org/

I do like the resource control provided by systemd's interfaces for slices & control groups: certain users could be given specific CPU & disk usage limits, which is nice.

This seems to be part of the developers' greater drive towards stateless systems. The next step is the removal of all /etc-based configuration files:

Lennart wrote:

When you need configuration files in /etc to work properly, consider changing your application to work nicely when these files are missing, and automatically fall back to either built-in defaults, or to static vendor-supplied configuration files shipped in /usr, so that administrators can override configuration in /etc but if they don't the default configuration counts.

So look out for the shift to /usr/share/apt/sources.list...

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 13:40:47 +0000

Whoa! OK, so gdm is going to manage access to this encrypted home, user records will be json files to be more compatible with the internet (wtf?), and when you convert the json to a more traditional format, some metadata will be lost. (i.e. you won't see all that's in the user record.)

What does "Queriable via Varlink interface." mean? Is it time to put on my metal hat?

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 12:57:11 +0000

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Lennart actually describes it as home-on-a-stick in the video presentation, which amused me.

Me too. Been doing luks-encrypted home on a stick for years, with the additional feature of a read-only operating system. https://refracta.org/docs/readme.refracta2usb.txt
I don't have interchangeable UID's or automatic close-luks-on-suspend. You'll have to turn the laptop off when you go through customs.

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick) — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 11:18:13 +0000

Nili wrote:

I'm afraid one day the systemd tentacle will extends on other systems like BSD, MAC or even Windows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#systembsd

Not an official effort though: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=141135403820631&w=2

Nili wrote:

I believe they will try hard, I have heard that they are interested in BSD. LOL

At the moment the systemd package has a hard dependency on glibc and the corporate overlords are only really interested in maintaining the Linux dominance in the server & supercomputer markets. I don't think the Linux Foundation gives a crap about the desktop 'cos all the users are freeloading deadbeats. LOL.

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (Nili) — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:33:53 +0000

Well, I know what's would be one day, I foresee it. I come from a time when things were different, limited but clean on table. For me it was the best time to use Linux OS. I feels more comfortable with then Linux or OS.

Day by day we lose control in something. Whatever systemd does now, Windows or MACOS have done for years. If i need something of those i'll use both gladly for different tasks.

Now someone (individual, or corporate) somewhere want's to make Linux systems ALL THE POSSIBLE part of evolution, or let say MAC or WINDOWS clone or rival because this move will make it better for the masses they'll do everything possible. I'm no one to stop them, i will only stop myself for using it.

They would have done better making something from scratch Instead of making layer over layers their data on existing system or systems.

I never talked about systemd anywhere bad or good. Today my cup fills me, those new existed but extended features that settle almost a month, Purge the old when the time comes on demand. Old is seen as enemy on eyes of some. I personally do not like it.

However until there are OS'es that do not accept this phenomenon, I will be on Linux wings, I'm afraid one day the systemd tentacle will extends on other systems like BSD, MAC or even Windows. I believe they will try hard, I have heard that they are interested in BSD. LOL

Sorry, i may sound as a rant, I did not want to turn it into war-systemd thread, well for many people those layer features of systemd are needed, let them taste, I have other goals myself.

Respects!

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick) — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 09:32:44 +0000

Nili wrote:

Here's the latest infection from the parasite

Lennart actually describes it as home-on-a-stick in the video presentation, which amused me.

Portable, fully encrypted home directories with automated Yubikey authentication sound like a neat idea but it won't replace the traditional layout any more than systemd-networkd has replaced NetworkManager or Ceni.

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (HevyDevy) — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 07:33:38 +0000

@ Nili, seems like systemd just wants to take over the home now. Also if one uses ext4 format on home, you can create file based encryption with loop back devices already.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ex … encryption

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (Nili) — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 05:10:04 +0000

I will never use that worm on this life. I've been using it for a year at Debian, I know pretty much it will control the whole system soon or later.
That worm is the other face of svchost.exe nothing more nothing less.

Thank God there are still OS uninfected. Alpine, Crux, Gentoo, Void. There are BSD or Haiku OS.
So far, i have tried Alpine, Crux & Void. Of these three, I was very pleased by their installations, performance and the ability to create a clarity and honest system.

Here's the latest infection from the parasite.

I wish that Devuan would become a complete Independent of Debian one day. That would be a joyous event for me.

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (golinux) — Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:27:30 +0000

This is a classic! Debian and Devuan from the Parrot Project Blog

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (ToxicExMachina) — Mon, 02 Sep 2019 10:35:31 +0000

The main argument against SystemD is... SystemD is proprietary software.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-sou … point.html

When we call software “free,” we mean that it respects the users' essential freedoms: the freedom to run it, to study and change it, and to redistribute copies with or without changes. This is a matter of freedom, not price, so think of “free speech,” not “free beer.”
These freedoms are vitally important. They are essential, not just for the individual users' sake, but for society as a whole because they promote social solidarity—that is, sharing and cooperation. They become even more important as our culture and life activities are increasingly digitized. In a world of digital sounds, images, and words, free software becomes increasingly essential for freedom in general.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sof … nt.en.html

With free software, the users control the program, both individually and collectively. So they control what their computers do (assuming those computers are loyal and do what the users' programs tell them to do).

Even when proprietary software isn't downright malicious, its developers have an incentive to make it addictive, controlling and manipulative. You can say, as does the author of that article, that the developers have an ethical obligation not to do that, but generally they follow their interests. If you want this not to happen, make sure the program is controlled by its users.

Facts:
1. Most (or even 100%) of SystemD supporters don't care about libre software. They care about open source corporate valuables.
2. SystemD is addictive, controlling and manipulative project. Addiction, control and manipulation are the only motivations of SystemD development. This is how SystemD is violating principles of freedom.

In total: SystemD is open source but proprietary software.

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (MiyoLinux) — Fri, 30 Aug 2019 11:39:39 +0000

I recently tried a systemd Openbox distro on hardware. On the 2nd day, I needed to reboot. After 12 - 13 minutes (yes...seriously), I had to do a hard shutdown. It was stuck in an endless loop of "start job this" and "start job that".

I wiped it off my hard drive...

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (masterpeace) — Fri, 30 Aug 2019 11:24:04 +0000

runit is working great . i made a sata2 old pc boot devuan xfce under 25s (usually somewhere between 29~33s) . debian systemd on the other hand boot about (34~35) and have the boot crashed . or maybe i should install systemd on devuan ? since removing systemd from debian is a hassle . I run trial 5 times , and one of the systemd boot crashed (the first boot) . runit and sysVinit on the other hand have never failed a boot process .

MiyoLinux wrote:

I had to do a hard shutdown. It was stuck in an endless loop of "start job this" and "start job that".

this is what happened to my debian install too , but it repeated too fast and then slowing down and freezes .

btw that was the first time i ever crashed a boot . even my old windows 7 times never failed a boot .

should i increase the trial times ?

Re: Websites with Arguments against systemd

dummy@example.com (ToxicExMachina) — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 08:25:56 +0000

I'l just leave it here

https://ewontfix.com/14/