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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>dxrobertson wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>galculator is another nice calculator.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Agreed, I like it too. Please also consider speedcrunch; its GUI will be familiar to modern pocket calculator users.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (PedroReina)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2019 10:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Have you enabled non-free and contib in your sources.list?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I changed this:&#160; </p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main</code></pre></div><p>to:&#160; </p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free</code></pre></div><p>Didnt seem to work.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Not sure what you mean by &quot;Didnt seem to work&quot;, but either press the Reload button in Synaptic or in terminal:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>apt update</code></pre></div><p>This will make all the packages from contrib&#160; and non-free &quot;available&quot;<br />If you have already done so, then please disregard.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>When I tried xcalc, it has an ugly UI.&#160; For myself, functionality &gt; looks, but users like to have a pretty UI.&#160; Which is why I opted for gnome-calculator</p></div></blockquote></div><p>galculator is another nice calculator.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>No GUI user management.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Maybe try lxqt-admin, if you havent already found your solution.</p><p>A note on installing software outside of your chosen desktop (XFCE, LXQT, GNOME, KDE...); its best to first try the install from commandline with the --no-install-recommends option to limit the install to just the desired package (and its hard dependencies):&#160; </p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>apt-get --no-install-recommends install &lt;package-whatever&gt;</code></pre></div><p>And also- welcome to devuan!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (dxrobertson)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2019 02:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13851#p13851</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>instead of ppa&#039;s use backports: <a href="https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/" rel="nofollow">https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/</a> <br />just change it to: </p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>deb http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-backports main non-free contrib  #(or something similar to match your mirror)</code></pre></div><p>remember to use the switch: apt -t ascii-backports install&#160; &quot;package&quot; (or search etc...)</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (ChuangTzu)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2019 01:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13849#p13849</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Then new users need to do some reading.&#160; wink&#160; Also it&#039;s a _very bad idea_ to install directly from the debian repos.&#160; The Debian repos are provided by devuan via a filtered redirect so you won&#039;t install something dependent on systemd and bork your system.&#160; The list of banned pkgs is here.&#160; You will find in my sig a link to search devuan packages.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Users read?&#160; Ya right.&#160; Some users I&#039;m surprised they can tie their shoe.&#160; Even if they aren&#039;t complete fools, I&#039;ve seen even some of the most intelligent people skip some reading.&#160; My goal is to get as much work done as possible but yet still maintain high quality work/best practices.&#160; Unless you have lots of time on your hands, I doubt you are going to be reading every piece of information.&#160; When I do come across a problem, I will take the time to read every bit of information until I get the problem solved.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Have you enabled non-free and contib in your sources.list?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I changed this:&#160; </p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main</code></pre></div><p>to:&#160; </p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free</code></pre></div><p>Didnt seem to work.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>We do not have ppas in Devuan though there are some unofficial projects in our gitlab.&#160; &#160;The Debian wiki is quite clear about not mixing repositories.&#160; The same goes for Devuan: Don&#039;t make a FrankenDebian</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Thanks for the education on Frankendebian, I guess I never thought about it.&#160; Now I use synaptic package manager, apt, and this website to install packages.&#160; I never did understand the main benefit of PPAs.&#160; What would be the main advantage of a PPA vs a download link on someones website?&#160; None as far as im concerned.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Welcome aboard the Devuan train to freedom!</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Thank you for the warm welcome!&#160; Much appreciated!&#160; The linux community has been really good to me, I&#039;m very thankful!&#160; I&#039;ve heard that the linux community is mean, from my experience its been quite the opposite.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Try xcalc. It&#039;s part of the x11-apps package and may already be installed.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>When I tried xcalc, it has an ugly UI.&#160; For myself, functionality &gt; looks, but users like to have a pretty UI.&#160; Which is why I opted for gnome-calculator</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>That&#039;s an xfce thing. Other desktops have their own management tools.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Devuan ascii doesn&#039;t come with it by default.&#160; If it does then I failed to find it.&#160; &#039;gnome-system-tools&#039; may be the one you are refering to.&#160; This is exactly what I was wanting in Devuan.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>apt-cache search software lists the following package among others.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Thats pretty cool.. didn&#039;t know about that, thanks!</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Devuan is not *buntu or Mint, some things are not going to be as point clicky and GUI friendly.&#160; Synaptic is great, apt is better, read-learn-grow.&#160; Regarding tips for users and groups: <a href="https://www.howtogeek.com/50787/add-a-u" rel="nofollow">https://www.howtogeek.com/50787/add-a-u</a> … -on-linux/</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Thank you sir for the info, that is very useful for me... but for my users.. not really <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/hmm.png" width="15" height="15" alt="hmm" />.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (TouchOdeath)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2019 23:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Devuan is not *buntu or Mint, some things are not going to be as point clicky and GUI friendly.&#160; Synaptic is great, apt is better, read-learn-grow.&#160; Regarding tips for users and groups: <a href="https://www.howtogeek.com/50787/add-a-user-to-a-group-or-second-group-on-linux/" rel="nofollow">https://www.howtogeek.com/50787/add-a-u … -on-linux/</a></p><p><img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (ChuangTzu)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2019 20:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>xinomilo wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><div class="quotebox"><cite>golinux wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>In fact, I&#039;m using mate&#039;s version of &quot;Users and Groups&quot; (at your suggestion years ago) which I think is in <span class="bbc">mate-system-tools</span>. I set things up so long ago, I can&#039;t remember exactly.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>mate-system-tools has been removed some time ago (last release : jessie). <br /><a href="https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=812730" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=812730</a><br />gnome-system-tools should provide same functionalities.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Right.&#160; I couldn&#039;t remember the name of that pkg.&#160; Thanks.&#160; Yeah, that&#039;s what I have in my ASCII VM.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (golinux)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2019 18:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>golinux wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>In fact, I&#039;m using mate&#039;s version of &quot;Users and Groups&quot; (at your suggestion years ago) which I think is in <span class="bbc">mate-system-tools</span>. I set things up so long ago, I can&#039;t remember exactly.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>mate-system-tools has been removed some time ago (last release : jessie). <br /><a href="https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=812730" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=812730</a><br />gnome-system-tools should provide same functionalities.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (xinomilo)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2019 18:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>fsmithred wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p> </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>No GUI user management.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>That&#039;s an xfce thing. Other desktops have their own management tools.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>There are user GUI management tools in xfce?&#160; That&#039;s news to me.&#160; In fact, I&#039;m using mate&#039;s version of &quot;Users and Groups&quot; (at your suggestion years ago) which I think is in <span class="bbc">mate-system-tools</span>. I set things up so long ago, I can&#039;t remember exactly.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (golinux)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2019 16:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Try xcalc. It&#039;s part of the x11-apps package and may already be installed.</p><p><span class="bbc">apt-cache search software</span> lists the following package among others.</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>$ apt-cache policy software-properties-gtk
software-properties-gtk:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 0.96.20.2-1
  Version table:
     0.96.20.2-1 500
        500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages</code></pre></div><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>No GUI user management.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>That&#039;s an xfce thing. Other desktops have their own management tools.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (fsmithred)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2019 11:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13769#p13769</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Feedback is always appreciated especially when it&#039;s so enthusiastic!</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>TouchOdeath wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I know that Synaptic Package Manager is installed which is great, but an average user couldn&#039;t find new software using it.&#160; So<strong> if an &#039;app store&#039; of some sort was present that would be great</strong>.&#160; I tried &#039;sudo apt-get install gnome-software&#039;, but for some unknown reason, it will only show me whats already installed and nothing online.&#160; I may have messed that up, because at first I tried to install it using a debian package.&#160; I have since tried to reinstall via command line, no success.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Then new users need to do some reading.&#160; <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" />&#160; Also it&#039;s a _very bad idea_ to install directly from the debian repos.&#160; The Debian repos are provided by devuan via a filtered redirect so you won&#039;t install something dependent on systemd and bork your system.&#160; The list of banned pkgs is <span class="bbu"><a href="https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt" rel="nofollow"> here</a></span>.&#160; You will find in my sig a link to search devuan packages.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p><strong>No GUI third party/proprietary drivers program</strong> like &#039;software-properties-gtk&#039;.&#160; I know that doing a google search would also yield the correct drivers.&#160; But it would be nice to have a program that would search the hardware of your computer and offer additional drivers.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Have you enabled non-free and contib in your sources.list?</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p><strong>I guess PPAs aren&#039;t supported</strong>, or maybe I don&#039;t know how its done in devuan.<br />&#160; &#160; sudo add-apt-repository ppa:noobslab/deepin-sc<br />&#160; &#160; aptsources.distro.NoDistroTemplateException: Error: could not find a distribution template for Devuan/ascii<br />I would question using this OS as my main because I may run across a scenario where I desperately need something installed and it has to be done by PPA.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>We do not have ppas in Devuan though there are some unofficial projects in our gitlab.&#160; &#160;The Debian wiki is quite clear about not mixing repositories.&#160; The same goes for Devuan: <strong>Don&#039;t make a FrankenDebian</strong></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Repositories that can create a FrankenDebian if used with Debian Stable:<br />&#160; &#160; -&#160; Debian testing release (currently buster)<br />&#160; &#160; -&#160; Debian unstable release (also known as sid)<br />&#160; &#160; -&#160; Ubuntu, Mint or other derivative repositories are not compatible with Debian!<br />&#160; &#160; -&#160; Ubuntu PPAs</p></div></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>No GUI user management.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Mate has a pkg for user management but can&#039;t think of the name atm.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Another minor thing, I thought I needed the &#039;desktop-live&#039; distro because thats what I&#039;ve learned to do..&#160; So I downloaded that first, tried it and successfully installed it.&#160; But it was kinda hell to do so.&#160; Extremely complicated install.&#160; Once installed not everything was right.&#160; I have since figured out that I needed the &#039;netinst&#039; instead.&#160; I would really like to try and get the &#039;Refracta&#039; stuff to work and customize/make my own ISO that would be hardware independent.&#160; I have yet to give that a shot.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>We have a walk-through of the desktop-live installer <span class="bbu"><a href="https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/live-gui.html" rel="nofollow">here</a></span> that might be helpful.</p><p>Welcome aboard the Devuan train to freedom!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (golinux)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2019 04:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13768#p13768</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>lsb_release -a</p><p>Distributor ID:&#160; &#160; Devuan<br />Description:&#160; &#160; Devuan GNU/Linux 2.0 (ascii)<br />Release:&#160; &#160; 2.0<br />Codename:&#160; &#160; ascii</p><p>I love this OS, and maybe some of these critiques are out of the scope of this project.&#160; With that said <strong>what I&#039;m saying may not be relevant</strong>.&#160; I thought I would leave feedback anyway.&#160; My linux experience is still in the noob phase, but I do have some experience.</p><p>I use wireless on my laptop, <strong>on boot, it hangs for 1 to 3 mins</strong> on &quot;Configuring network interfaces...ifup:&#160; waiting for lock on /run/network/ifstate.eth0&quot;.&#160; I don&#039;t know if this is a debian problem or what... and I also know a quick google search would fix the problem (<a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=9276#p9276" rel="nofollow">https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=9276#p9276</a>). EDIT:&#160; Yup that fixed it.</p><p>I know that Synaptic Package Manager is installed which is great, but an average user couldn&#039;t find new software using it.&#160; So<strong> if an &#039;app store&#039; of some sort was present that would be great</strong>.&#160; I tried &#039;sudo apt-get install gnome-software&#039;, but for some unknown reason, it will only show me whats already installed and nothing online.&#160; I may have messed that up, because at first I tried to install it using a debian package.&#160; I have since tried to reinstall via command line, no success.</p><p><strong>No GUI third party/proprietery drivers program</strong> like &#039;software-properties-gtk&#039;.&#160; I know that doing a google search would also yield the correct drivers.&#160; But it would be nice to have a program that would search the hardware of your computer and offer additional drivers.</p><p><strong>I guess PPAs aren&#039;t supported</strong>, or maybe I don&#039;t know how its done in devuan.<br />&#160; &#160; sudo add-apt-repository ppa:noobslab/deepin-sc<br />&#160; &#160; aptsources.distro.NoDistroTemplateException: Error: could not find a distribution template for Devuan/ascii<br />I would question using this OS as my main because I may run across a scenario where I desperately need something installed and it has to be done by PPA.</p><p>No GUI user management.</p><p>This is extremely minor and also very picky but no calculator.&#160; In my opinion &#039;gnome-calculator&#039; should be used for its nice looking/simplistic interface.&#160; I do admit that I haven&#039;t really tried a whole lot of calculators.</p><p>Another minor thing, I thought I needed the &#039;desktop-live&#039; distro because thats what I&#039;ve learned to do..&#160; So I downloaded that first, tried it and successfully installed it.&#160; But it was kinda hell to do so.&#160; Extremely complicated install.&#160; Once installed not everything was right.&#160; I have since figured out that I needed the &#039;netinst&#039; instead.&#160; I would really like to try and get the &#039;Refracta&#039; stuff to work and customize/make my own ISO that would be hardware independent.&#160; I have yet to give that a shot.</p><p>Other than that.. <strong>this OS is SUPER SOLID</strong>.&#160; I am super impressed.&#160; Easy on resources, RAM usage is very little, CPU idle is extremely low, doesn&#039;t trigger my laptop fan because the idle is so low which is awesome!&#160; &#160;The OS is super snappy all around.&#160; No additional bloat to remove, no tweaking necessary to speed things up.&#160; No systemd bloat.&#160; Super easy installer, it basically wipes your butt.&#160; You have a great community behind this OS which is also important.&#160; I&#039;m as happy as pig in slop, this OS makes me excited!&#160; Thank you very much for providing us this OS, keep up the good work!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (TouchOdeath)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2019 03:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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