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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ryzen idle lockup]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=15043#p15043</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>ghaverla wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Too many posts under my name at the top of the list.</p><p>As it appears that the original ASRock motherboard was at least partially at fault for why the Ryzen 1600 would not work, it seems possible that that CPU is not a dud.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Taichi series are the only good motherboards from asrock. Other ones from this vendor have tons of issues.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>ghaverla wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I picked up a A320 motherboard on sale.&#160; If this Ryzen 1600 works, that&#039;s wonderful.&#160; But I doubt the application requires a 12 core CPU.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Motherboard based on low-end chipset is grave mistake for powerful pre-hi-end CPU. You need at least B350 based motherboard for Ryzen 5 1600. A320 is an office-PC grade chipset designed for first generation Ryzen 3 CPUs exclusively. Usually such motherboards can&#039;t provide enough energy for powerful CPUs.</p><p>Some problems may also be caused by opcache. In firmware setup you should turn it off because in early revisions of first generation Ryzen CPUs there is a hardware bug in opcache.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (ToxicExMachina)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ryzen idle lockup]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=15040#p15040</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Too many posts under my name at the top of the list.</p><p>As it appears that the original ASRock motherboard was at least partially at fault for why the Ryzen 1600 would not work, it seems possible that that CPU is not a dud.</p><p>---</p><p>I picked up a A320 motherboard on sale.&#160; If this Ryzen 1600 works, that&#039;s wonderful.&#160; But I doubt the application requires a 12 core CPU.</p><p>Long ago, I heard of the stealth logserver.</p><p>I suppose the original stealth logserver was a printer attached to the console, and it just printed everything that happened.&#160; If someone broke in, they could do nothing about the log entries already printed.&#160; Regardless of kernel messages about printer on fire, which was always a &quot;joke&quot;.</p><p>But the stealth logserver I remember from way back when; was a computer on a LAN, where all non-stealth computers were configured to send their logs to a public logserver.&#160; And it logged everything.&#160; But on the LAN was a computer with a NIC that had no assigned IP address, and the NIC was in promiscuous mode.&#160; And so, it could also log everything.&#160; As it had no IP address, there is no (easy) way to get to it, to erase logs.</p><p>More recently, writeups about stealth logservers, don&#039;t talk about a stealth (promiscuous) machine paralleling logs.&#160; All the machines on the LAN are configured to send log messages to a machine which doesn&#039;t exist.</p><p>Is it better that the stealth logserver is paralleling a real logserver, or that the config of all the other machines makes it obvious that the logs are on a &quot;stealth&quot; machine?</p><p>Recent articles on this concept talk about running a network intrusion detector on a stealth machine.&#160; Like snort.&#160; The idea of a stealth machine, is that there is no way to get to it; it has no IP.&#160; So, if the intrusion detection machine detects that an intrusion has happened, how does this message get to the LAN server and/or the router, to stop the intrusion?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (ghaverla)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2019 04:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ryzen idle lockup]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=12565#p12565</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I restarted 7 BOINC jobs with the kernel command line trying to help, and after about 3 days it found a long enough idle to freeze.</p><p>I restarted (not getting the kernel command line mods in), so I used that zen program to disable cstate6.&#160; The power went out before it crashed.&#160; I guess I forgot to tell the power company that I was going to do this test.&#160; :-)</p><p>I think I will wait for 4.19 before I start this again.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (ghaverla)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2018 02:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ryzen idle lockup]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=12291#p12291</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>It still freezes in idle.</p><p>The 4.19 kernel is rumoured to have some chance of fixing this, but I&#039;ve also seen articles say similar things about earlier kernels.&#160; Wishful thinking?&#160; I&#039;ve seen articles talking about overclocking being another way to avoid this freeze in idle, but I have never gotten into overclocking.&#160; Are there any good documents which describe the various cstates and pstates and overclocking?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (ghaverla)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2018 13:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ryzen idle lockup]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=12284#p12284</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I guess there was no &quot;real&quot; problem with filesystems.&#160; The only thing that seems to have happened, is the &quot;dirty bit&quot; was set on the VFAT mounted at /boot/efi.</p><p>Fixing that &quot;dirty bit&quot;, it boots now.</p><p>However, that new BIOS doesn&#039;t fix the problem.&#160; At least not without kernel command line arguments.&#160; I again added</p><p>rcu_nocbs=0-11 processor.max_cstate=5 idle=nomwait</p><p>to the kernel command line.&#160; We&#039;ll see if that helps with the freezing in idle.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (ghaverla)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2018 20:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ryzen idle lockup]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=12281#p12281</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I had read about people having filesystem issues when these idle CPUs just go to sleep, I hadn&#039;t experienced one.&#160; Yesterday, this machine with now only 3 BOINC jobs running froze.</p><p>So, this morning I installed the latest (4.80) BIOS, and went looking for this power supply idle control setting, to change it to &quot;typical&quot; (or common).&#160; When I went to reboot (from the &quot;disks&quot; in the system), the kernel panicked.&#160; As rEFInd is my bootloader on this machine, I put a rEFInd DVD in the machine, and that was able to boot to my root partition.&#160; I may have some work to do with fs repair.&#160; But, the machine is busy doing almost nothing again, to see if this newer BIOS fixes the idle freeze problem.</p><p>How I am monitoring this, is to ssh -X into that machine, and run xsensors in the background.&#160; When the machine locks up, the xsensors display on this machine either dies or goes strange.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (ghaverla)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ryzen idle lockup]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=12263#p12263</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@ghaverla, the obvious thing to do is update the bios to the latest version and let us know if the issue persists.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Centurion Dan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Ryzen idle lockup]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=12260#p12260</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Greetings.</p><p>I have two computers now, running Ryzen processors - 1600X and a 1600.&#160; I don&#039;t believe the 1600X has this CPU hardware bug, but the 1600 does.&#160; Just running BOINC jobs, I can have the system lockup&#160; even having 6 active threads (so 6 of 12 CPU threads).</p><p>I have a new enough BIOS that I can set the Power Idle State (or however it is described) to something like typical.&#160; There are 2 newer BIOS available, that I haven&#039;t installed (I have the 4.6 BIOS? installed, as it has NVME support).&#160; ASRock motherboard in this thing.</p><p>I booted a while ago, with idle=nomwait and after a couple of days it locked up (6 BOINC jobs).&#160; I had before and after that, booted with rcu_nocbs=0-11.&#160; For Devuan kernels, I believe that instruction is ignored because some CONFIG_RCU thing isn&#039;t set.&#160; Debian has a bug thread, where the last entry I believe is February of 2018, asking for kernels to be compiled with that config variable set, to which there has been no response.</p><p>I just rebooted with<br /> rcu_nocbs=0-11 processor.max_cstate=5 idle=nomwait<br />and reduced the BOINC jobs to 3.</p><p>All this computer is doing, is BOINC jobs.&#160; So nothing important.&#160; If people at Devuan are interested in this bug, and want me to try things, I can do that.&#160; I believe it is currently running the 4.18.0-2 kernel package (which is most current).&#160; There are rumours that the 4.19 kernel may have some fixes for this bug.&#160; There were rumours in the March to May timeframe of 2018, that AMD had release updates to the BIOS which cover this.</p><p>I did install the zenstates.py program from github, but so far I have only used it to list things.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (ghaverla)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2018 23:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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