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Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Tue, 24 Apr 2018 16:54:49 +0000

Thanks. I got the same plus lxpolkit. That's with task-lxde-desktop and lxqt in the list of packages to install. We must be using consolekit, since we have the -backend and -gobject that go with it. (instead of the ones that go with elogind)

I have no great revelations about this. Please report if anything doesn't work right.

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (Geoff 42) — Tue, 24 Apr 2018 08:59:38 +0000

Sorry for the slow response, here you go :-

$ for i in consolekit elogind policykit polkit libpam ; do aptitude search ~i"$i" ; done
i A consolekit                                                                                     - framework for defining and tracking users, sessions and seats                                            
i   libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0                                                               - PolicyKit backend API                                                                                    
i   libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0                                                               - PolicyKit Authorization API                                                                              
i A elogind                                                                                        - user, seat and session management daemon                                                                 
i A libelogind0                                                                                    - user, seat and session management library                                                                
i A libpam-elogind                                                                                 - elogind PAM module                                                                                       
i A lxqt-policykit                                                                                 - LXQt authentication agent for PolicyKit                                                                  
i   policykit-1                                                                                    - framework for managing administrative policies and privileges                                            
i   policykit-1-gnome                                                                              - authentication agent for PolicyKit                                                                       
i A libpolkit-agent-1-0                                                                            - PolicyKit Authentication Agent API                                                                       
i A libpolkit-backend-1-0                                                                          - PolicyKit Authorization API                                                                              
i   libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0                                                               - PolicyKit backend API                                                                                    
i A libpolkit-gobject-1-0                                                                          - PolicyKit Authorization API                                                                              
i   libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0                                                               - PolicyKit Authorization API                                                                              
i A libpolkit-qt5-1-1                                                                              - PolicyKit-qt5-1 library                                                                                  
i A libpam-cap                                                                                     - POSIX 1003.1e capabilities (PAM module)                                                                  
i A libpam-elogind                                                                                 - elogind PAM module                                                                                       
i A libpam-gnome-keyring                                                                           - PAM module to unlock the GNOME keyring upon login                                                        
i   libpam-modules                                                                                 - Pluggable Authentication Modules for PAM                                                                 
i   libpam-modules-bin                                                                             - Pluggable Authentication Modules for PAM - helper binaries                                               
i   libpam-runtime                                                                                 - Runtime support for the PAM library                                                                      
i   libpam0g                                                                                       - Pluggable Authentication Modules library

Geoff

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Mon, 23 Apr 2018 11:17:29 +0000

Geoff 42 wrote:

Is lxqt the way forwards? Should we be moving away from lxde?

I asked that question in irc about a year ago, and there happened to be one of the lxde devs in the channel. He said that lxde is still alive and is not going away.

I haven't tried mixing lxde and lxqt, but I'm about to. Just built a live iso with task-lxde-desktop and lxqt. There is some weirdness in the installed packages: I have both libpam-ck-connector and libpam-elogind, and you're only supposed to have one of those. Also, pam-auth-update shows both consolekit and elogind active. But I only have the libpolkits for consolekit, not elogind.

Please show me what you get for this:

for i in consolekit elogind policykit polkit libpam ; do aptitude search ~i"$i" ; done

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (Geoff 42) — Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:14:24 +0000

I have now re-installed LXQT alongside LXDE. I did this by installing lxde. If I were to install task-lxqt-desktop, it would remove lxde and consolekit and install the elogind stuff.

I can select either lxde or lxqt from the lxdm login screen and they both work. lxde is fine, but with lxqt it does want me to enter the root password as the first thing. I have not yet worked out why it is doing this, but I guess that this is a problem with not having all the elogind stuff installed. Generally lxqt does seem to work reasonably well although I have not had a chance to polish it to my liking yet.

Is lxqt the way forwards? Should we be moving away from lxde?

Geoff

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Sat, 21 Apr 2018 12:17:25 +0000

lxde pulls in an odd combination of packages for both consolekit and elogind. All the other desktops are fine with one of those. (kde and lxqt use elogind, the others work with just consolekit.)

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (Geoff 42) — Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:27:04 +0000

Yes, X does pull in libsystemd0, so maybe I shouldn't be too worried, but I thought that the fewer packages that pull in libsystemd0, the better.

As I check up, I see that I also have libpulse0 installed. If I were to remove that, then that would take out, inter alia :-
chromium, ffmpeg, flightgear, gimp, kodi, qemu, vlc, wireshark

I do not have pulseaudio installed but I do have apulse.

Is it easy to convey the abominability (?) that the devs felt about LXDE.

Geoff

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Sat, 21 Apr 2018 09:47:18 +0000

How are you running X without libsystemd0???

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (Geoff 42) — Sat, 21 Apr 2018 05:55:42 +0000

I did initially have a look at LXQT :-
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=94
but I reverted to LXDE as lxqt-panel pulled in libpulse0 and libsystemd0.

Geoff

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Fri, 20 Apr 2018 22:37:14 +0000

Devs have been looking at this today, and the consensus is that lxde is an abomination. If you have it working, that's good. Don't look at the ugly combination of packages. Meanwhile, I'm getting ready to purge all desktop environments from all of my computers.

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (Geoff 42) — Fri, 20 Apr 2018 13:28:03 +0000

I have had a quick look at libpolkit-{backend|gobject}-elogind-1-0 to see if there is a problem.

$ aptitude why-not libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0
i   libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0 Conflicts libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0
$ aptitude why-not libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1-0
i   libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0 Conflicts libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1-0

It appears that the libpolkits need either consolekit or elogind, but not both and LXDE only works with the consolekit versions.

Geoff

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (Geoff 42) — Thu, 19 Apr 2018 18:04:03 +0000

If I mark libpolkit-{backend|gobject}-elogind-1-0 for installation, then it wants to remove lxde. This is the case whether the 1-0 is at the end or in the middle.

I do have elogind, libelogind0 and libpam-elogind installed and elogind is running as is the console-kit-daemon.

Geoff

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Thu, 19 Apr 2018 16:42:53 +0000

Geoff 42 wrote:

The early signs are that this works ok, with the suggestion that maybe elogind doesn't work with LXDE.

When I tested two months ago, I was able to use elogind with lxde. I would try that now, except that I already wiped that lxde install. All those *kit packages just went through a lot of changes, so it might be different now.

Anyway, it sound like you fixed it. If you use consolekit or elogind, you must have the corresponding libpolkit packages with it. Those are what determines which one gets used.

This problem might now be fixed for upgrades from jessie and new installs of ascii. For upgrades from ascii to ascii, the suggested fix seems to be working.

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (Geoff 42) — Thu, 19 Apr 2018 15:36:46 +0000

I have performed the same commands on my LXDE laptop and that also still works nicely and can also reboot from the exit menu.

Geoff

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (Geoff 42) — Thu, 19 Apr 2018 14:02:14 +0000

Yes, I can select "reboot" from the exit menu and it still works, although it does still produce the GDBus error message which I reported elsewhere.
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8185#p8185

The early signs are that this works ok, with the suggestion that maybe elogind doesn't work with LXDE.

Geoff

Re: [Solved?] Upgrade to remove LXDE

dummy@example.com (Geoff 42) — Thu, 19 Apr 2018 13:57:15 +0000

I saw the thread on DNG https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 … 53.en.html and have decided to go for it!

# apt-get install libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0

This runs without errors and now I can run

# apt-get update
# apt-get dist-upgrade

And this runs without error. I now need to see if I can do things like shutdown.

Geoff