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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What can I expect regarding MTA, the mail command, cron?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi ajhlinuxuser,<br />I totally agree with you.<br />Its just that sort of &quot;thing&quot; that had me stop recommending Ubuntu or Redhat years ago.<br />Debian has joined the flocks of zombie seagulls squarking around some &quot;market driven&quot; bag of grey clammy lowest common denominator chips...</p><p>Devuan aims only to be &quot;<em>Debian with no systemd&quot; </em>though it&#039;s not, and never going to be, <em>that</em> simple.</p><p>I would be a little saddened but not at all surprised if some version of of Debians X and Architecture plans found its way here as well.&#160; </p><p>So <strong>you should not be dependant on upstream to decide on your installed package set</strong>.</p><p>I keep a mental list of a set of packages I need and it grows smaller not larger as time goes by.</p><p>In the mail command case there are a few options ... they all work fine with some slight differences. mailx works for me but there are others that are just fine.<br />update-alternatives&#160; has this at the moment.</p><p>/etc/alternatives/mail -&gt; /usr/bin/bsd-mailx</p><p>Also exim4 supports all the traditional &quot;sendmail&quot; commands.<br /> including :</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>sendmail -i 
is actually:

 /usr/sbin/exim4 -i &lt;recipient-address(es)&gt;
         &lt;message content, including all the header lines&gt;
         CTRL-D

       The  -i  option prevents a line containing just a dot from terminating
       the message. Only an end-of-file (generated by typing  CTRL-D  if  the
       input is from a terminal) does so.</code></pre></div><p>see: man 8 sendmail </p><p>This also applies to other MTA&#039;s postfix for example.</p>]]></description>
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			<title><![CDATA[What can I expect regarding MTA, the mail command, cron?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>This is my first post here!&#160; Hi!</p><p>To introduce myself, I have been a Linux user since 2009.&#160; I like to tinker with various distributions, and I also aspire to become a Linux system administrator.&#160; Maybe I will post an extended intro in Off-topic later.</p><p>Ok, now to my question:</p><p>I wanted to demonstrate Linux to an on-line friend by teaching him to use the basic commands.&#160; My method of demonstration was to create a virtual machine in my home that he could log into remotely and explore that way.&#160; So two weeks ago, I installed Debian stretch, which I assumed represents one of the most typical, predictable, run-of-the-mill Linux systems.&#160; It seems that assumption is rapidly becoming invalid.</p><p>Two days ago, I created another VM and installed Debian onto it as well.&#160; I used the exact same choices in the installer, and therefore expected the resulting system to be identical.&#160; Note that I used the Net Installer.</p><p>But as I was checking out the newly installed system, I discovered that the &#039;mail&#039; command was missing.&#160; I was confident that it was not a mistake on my end, so I became determined to know why.&#160; This led to many hours of me trying to figure out what happened to cause this package not to be installed.&#160; Turns out that the MTA, exim4, was also not installed on the new system.&#160; Being aware that the Net Installer relies on the on-line repositories to decide which packages to install, I knew at once that they had somehow changed the &#039;Std system utilities&#039; package set in the span of two weeks.&#160; But I consider that mailing is an important part of a Linux system.&#160; For one, the cron daemon needs an MTA to mail the output of cron jobs to the user.&#160; There are probably other functions that I don&#039;t yet know of that will be broken by this move.&#160; Frustrating.</p><p>Long story short, the Debian folks have changed the priority for exim4, mailutils, and several related packages from &#039;standard&#039; to &#039;optional&#039;.&#160; Further, after discussing this in various corners of the Debian community, I realized that they aren&#039;t likely to undo this change just because cron is affected.&#160; Rather, I suspect that the removal of cron will take place in the future.</p><p>I am quite upset.&#160; While I am not upset in the way that a veteran might be, I am upset because I am learning about this thing called GNU/Linux and if Debian keeps changing so dramatically, then it renders what I thought I knew to be inapplicable.&#160; I can&#039;t be certain of what to expect from it now.&#160; But come to think about it, this isn&#039;t the first time they&#039;ve done this - they started down this road when they moved to systemd.&#160; I guess I&#039;m just a little slow on the uptake.</p><p>I then thought to myself, if these people at Debian feel that having an MTA, or a &#039;mail&#039; command, or even cron isn&#039;t necessary in the default install, and I don&#039;t like the change, then perhaps there are other people who won&#039;t like the change either.&#160; And then I thought of the folks involved with Devuan.&#160; I thought that since you didn&#039;t like the switch to systemd, maybe you will also dislike this new change.</p><p>I would like to know if I can continue to have things like the &#039;mail&#039; command and cron with Devuan&#039;s default install.&#160; I suppose many others would want to know as well, seeing as this change only began in the last two weeks.&#160; I have a need for a distribution that is predictable in this way.&#160; If I can get that from Devuan, it would ease my mind.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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