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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=12832#p12832</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Improve security and quality of default install but for it make sense this should be done debian side i guess.<br />Improve the broke &amp; rebuild function for keep a system clean and re-up it easely. <br />Something like <a href="https://nixos.org/nix/" rel="nofollow">https://nixos.org/nix/</a> does.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Wild-Turtles)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2018 14:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=12633#p12633</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Embedded builds: Do not ship non-free firmware by default and do not enable the repos in the sources.list by default! Instead, preinstall the package &quot;firmware-ath9k-htc&quot; to support the (up to today) only usb wifi adapters that work with free firmware.</p><p>If it makes sense, provide a &quot;non-free&quot; variant for people who value convenience over freedom. Not everyone needs wifi, and those who do might prefer inserting one of those usb adapters or soldering a different wifi chip (works on many boards) instead of having this non-free firmware running as root.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (kuleszdl)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2018 00:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=12276#p12276</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>LibreSSL instead of OpenSSL by default, thanks.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (cloub)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=10249#p10249</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Vizitor wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I wish Devuan installer will have option to use-and-NOT-FORMAT existing swap partitions.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Hehe, true that would be awesome when abusing future swap partitions to store ISOs. Not that hard to setup the swap after the install has finished though. Still would be a nice feature.</p><p>To me the single best thing would be support for live kernel upgrades. Well, OK the support is there but there are no easily available patches. Given that hardly any distribution (only Ubuntu i think) supplies those that would have a major impact for server use. If i find the time to look more closely into this i might also volunteer to maintain those. Rebooting servers is bad, mhhk? <img src="https://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (devuser)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=10246#p10246</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I wish Devuan installer will have option to use-and-NOT-FORMAT existing swap partitions.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Vizitor)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8975#p8975</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The ARMish images I saw up to now (Cubie3 and Pi1..3) did not have the loader and the kernel packaged, so both of these vital components will not get updates by APT and friends.</p><p>Can this please be improved in Devuan3?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (yeti)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2018 21:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=5118#p5118</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>foobar wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p> Devuan is all about removing that library,.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I don&#039;t know where you&#039;re getting your information, but that bit is just plain wrong. The default desktop install includes libsystemd0. Devuan is about removing dependency on systemd itself. The lead devs are not concered with that library and don&#039;t intend to spend any energy on removing it.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (fsmithred)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2017 10:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=5115#p5115</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@steelpillow: Most of the Debian packages are compatible with both systemd init and other inits: That is exactly what libsystemd is there for. That library is nothing but a set of functions that check whether systemd is available and use that if it is or do nothing if not. Devuan is all about removing that library, breaking systemd support but not gaining any new functionality or benefit besides getting rid of a small library.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (foobar)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2017 06:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=5112#p5112</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>If, as suggested, Debian is indeed playing hardball and deliberately pulling back from init support, then upstream agnosticism becomes really important. Eventually someone in Debian will realise that all their choice-removal is hard work they need not do and everything will flow easier for everybody.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (steelpillow)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2017 12:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4336#p4336</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>golinux wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>@darry1966 . . <em>. I&#039;m not sure how much of the contamination is coming from upstream and how much is being introduced by&#160; Debian.&#160; As steelpillow mentioned . . . if the upstream source is clean (and init agnostic) we can work around blocks coming from Debian.&#160; &#160;But if upstream decides not to allow for other options, our work will indeed be much harder.&#160; The&#160; more traction that Devuan gains, the more leverage we&#039;ll have to expect upstream to support what we are doing</em>.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>&#160; </p><p>When I tried Buster I found that removing Systemd ripped just about everything away compared with Jessie where systemd is quite easy to remove. So sorry to say Debian is determined with each new release version to integrate systemd reliance further and further into the system.&#160; So yes gaining leverage is important as is Devuan as a distro forked from Debian standing against this attack init freedom.&#160; In fact I would go further and say that Devuan needs to deviate further away from Debian rather like Ubuntu did to maintain its independence.</p><p><em>It might be harder for a bit, but it also might be the impetus to fork various projects that just blithely and voluntarily enslave themselves to really bad coDe, have already been thinking about that....and starting to pick through some to find ones I can re-write myself.</em></p><p>Great idea where possible Devuan independent programs as alternatives to the infected ones.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (darry1966)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2017 05:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4322#p4322</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>golinux wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p><strong> But if upstream decides not to allow for other options, our work will indeed be much harder.</strong> .</p></div></blockquote></div><p>It might be harder for a bit, but it also might be the impetus to fork various projects that just blithely and voluntarily enslave themselves to really bad coDe, have already been thinking about that....and starting to pick through some to find ones I can re-write myself.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (greenjeans)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2017 20:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4319#p4319</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@darry1966 . . . I&#039;m not sure how much of the contamination is coming from upstream and how much is being introduced by&#160; Debian.&#160; As steelpillow mentioned . . . if the upstream source is clean (and init agnostic) we can work around blocks coming from Debian.&#160; &#160;But if upstream decides not to allow for other options, our work will indeed be much harder.&#160; The&#160; more traction that Devuan gains, the more leverage we&#039;ll have to expect upstream to support what we are doing.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (golinux)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2017 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4316#p4316</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Mine is simply that Devuan Linux can still be able to clean up INFECTED Debian packages.&#160; Quite frankly is hard though with Debian getting more and more sloppy about the quality of their work which they unleash (Sorry for that but the Stretch bugs reported sound pretty bad).&#160; Anyway that is why I run Devaun and based systems because of the care taken to produce quality releases.&#160; However I appreciate how the task of developing newer releases is becoming harder because of the decrease in Debian&#039;s quality control and the increasing dependency of packages on Systemd.:)</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (darry1966)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2017 18:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4310#p4310</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>steelpillow wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>It would also help provide a clean, trouble-free install for Debian users who choose to avoid SystemD, a win-win all round.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>It is very trouble-free, they can just point the repositories to Devuan, install a couple of Devuan packages, update/upgrade and it is done.&#160; Unless we are talking about different things.<br />That seems to be a task that is simple today after years of work, trial and error. Apart from this the wealth of Devuan lies on the 40-50k packages of Debian.&#160; It is the same path the younger (newborn) Artix has taken in proximity to the Arch library of packages.</p><p>The question is whether this ease of selection of init systems will last or will it be short lived.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (fungus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2017 17:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: After Ascii:  A Devuan wishlist.]]></title>
			<link>https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4303#p4303</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>My shorter-term wishlist is a little more subtle. Every package that Devuan currently has to clean up should be refactored at source to be compatible with both Init and SystemD. This is more a case of upstream contribution/persuasion/evangelism that direct Devuan build, but once upstream developers get the habit it would bring new goodness directly into Devuan in the longer term. It would also help provide a clean, trouble-free install for Debian users who choose to avoid SystemD, a win-win all round.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (steelpillow)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2017 15:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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