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#1 2017-11-02 22:53:19

greenjeans
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The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

Palemoon is still winning, barely. But it can't do mhtml or view pdfs like Chromium can. FF is pretty meh, slowest browser by far on my machine.

Midori is nice and light, I like it a lot, but I can't get video to work at all. If you don't need youtube it's nice and fast. Does require some symbolic icons that you might not have or you'll get the red x thing. Devuan dropped it from stable repo for some reason.

Next up, testing the Seamonkey suite.


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#2 2017-11-03 00:26:35

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

Have you given Waterfox a trial run?  I don't know about mhtml but the pdf viewing was flawless as well as a couple other things that I have had problems with both in firefox and palemoon.

In case you are interested, here is an unofficial build located on a repository:
https://github.com/hawkeye116477/waterfox-deb

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#3 2017-11-03 08:30:33

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

Not sure about HTML5 video with regard to Midori.

You may be stuck with Chromium and it's forks, if that's a requirement.  It tends to perform better than both firefox and seamonkey on lower end systems regardless.

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#4 2017-11-03 20:48:12

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

cynwulf wrote:

Not sure about HTML5 video with regard to Midori.

You may be stuck with Chromium and it's forks, if that's a requirement.  It tends to perform better than both firefox and seamonkey on lower end systems regardless.

It's weird, Midori is supposed to be able to run HTML5 stuff, webm, h.264 etc. And I have everything onboard it needs, Palemoon is working fine and it needs basically the same libraries, Chromium of course works....kinda stuck, I have seen some people reporting the same thing, but no answers for them have been posted. Sucks, it's very useable, pretty quick on startup, and with depends about half the size of palemoon and a third of the size of Chromium and FF.

@Nixer: Thanks for the heads-up, I will head that way now and give it a spin.


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#5 2017-11-03 21:55:24

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

Firefox 57, due this month (beta available now), is different. It's very fast and snappy, and I find myself spending most of my time with it (the beta, for now). Many extensions are broken in the new model, but I have the ones I need - your mileage will obviously vary. Pale Moon is very nice in a lot of ways, and I've been using it for quite a while as much as I can, but still too many sites just don't work, and it's not a simple matter of fiddling with user agent strings.  I will not have anything to do with anything associated with Google.

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#6 2017-11-03 22:05:57

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

sgage wrote:

Firefox 57, due this month (beta available now), is different. It's very fast and snappy, and I find myself spending most of my time with it (the beta, for now). Many extensions are broken in the new model, but I have the ones I need - your mileage will obviously vary. Pale Moon is very nice in a lot of ways, and I've been using it for quite a while as much as I can, but still too many sites just don't work, and it's not a simple matter of fiddling with user agent strings.  I will not have anything to do with anything associated with Google.

Duly noted, I will give it a try too.

I'm pretty happy with Palemoon so far in Vuu-do as it's been a decent compromise between size and useability, but I really want to fine-tune things now so i'm re-checking all the options again.

Really wish I could figure out the Midori thing, it's even better size-wise and i'm trying to reduce wherever possible while retaining functions.

The mhtml thing bugs me, I really prefer the format for saving pages for offline use, my time online is limited, so a lot of the time when I have a ton of reading/studying to do I just download content for later. Chromium is way ahead there.


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#7 2017-11-03 23:46:53

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

*Update*

Problem is in webkit somewhere, I saw a thread on the Slitaz forums where someone had a similar issue, and a user pointed out that their version of webkit had been compiled with some video flag off.

It's only doing this with webkit browsers, that's why everything else works and both Midori and my python browser won't.

Can anyone confirm?

FYI I posted this with the python-browser 'cause I know how happy that makes Cynwulf. wink

Last edited by greenjeans (2017-11-03 23:47:43)


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#8 2017-11-04 15:55:03

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

uzbl browser? uses webkit according to wikipedia. I installed it and was pretty confused but you might find it interesting.

After a little bit more effort...
This is interesting to play with. I can't get youtube videos to play on this or other webkit browser.Palemoon works for videos. Uzbl uses mostly keyboard but is configurable . If there is a fairly simple fix for video on webkit based browser on ascii-let me know. However I am a simple user not a coder so...

Last edited by catprints (2017-11-05 18:45:24)


"The obstacle is the path."

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#9 2017-11-17 21:54:18

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

It was fun to try other browsers but Palemoon works very well for my use case. On Jessie or Ascii.
I believe I'll stick with Palemoon.


"The obstacle is the path."

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#10 2017-11-17 22:25:20

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

Testing Firefox Quantum now, Miyo is giving it high marks and I see some other folks singing it's praises online, so thought i'd give it a whirl, just downed the tar.bz and am running it unpacked but not installed for now.

First impression: Looks nicer than previous editions, and is honoring my gtk2 theme right out of the box, so that's a good deal.


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#11 2017-11-18 01:51:35

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

AUR repositories show 58 and 59 varieties of ff
I think I am going to store the last 52esr sourcecode for the dreaded future.

I have yet to visit a site that did not work with palemoon and no youtube problems.
But the world's most popular website is blocked before my pc.

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#12 2017-11-18 04:22:03

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

[quote]27.6.0 (2017-11-07)
This is a major development update.

Added extra proxy settings in Options, covering DNS lookups through SOCKS v5 and automatic proxy authentication with known credentials.[/quote]

Haahaaa.  So someone else is thinking along those lines, I am not alone.

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#13 2017-11-18 20:03:19

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

I'm planning on checking out qutebrowser real soon and will making more comments on it.
I'd checked inox some time ago and it was really great. I had absolutely no issue with it. The only bothersome feature is that one has to manual update all plugins. But other than that, all is working great!

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#14 2017-12-06 05:35:32

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

I've put some thought into this as well.

Palemoon overall is best for a general purpose DRM free browser. Sandboxing is easy to setup using firejail, so that's a non-issue here. The only problem is XUL extensions aren't supported by mozilla anymore, so there's few maintained extensions available.

Another viable DRM free browser is GNU Icecat. It doesn't implement EME at all so it's the most freedom supportive browser. But it doesn't solve the bloat problems inherited from Firefox, and adds some of it's own in the form of custom extensions that are installed by default.

There is a fork of chromium known as Iridium, that boasts some privacy improvements but it's not DRM free. It also implements google safe browsing, and the details of that weren't clear to me.

There is another Moonchild productions fork of Firefox known as Basilisk. It keeps ALSA and XUL support alive whilst having experimental webextension support. It's not a DRM-free browser but it's switched off by default.

I don't know much about it but Waterfox is another option. DRM disabled, pocket and other annoyances disabled. Possibly a good option.

Librezilla may be an option later.

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#15 2017-12-06 06:41:45

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

@chillfan . . . Didn't we start saving some XUL extensions quite a while ago?  Do you still have those somewhere?  I'm still hoping they will come in handy at some point.

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#16 2017-12-06 15:43:02

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Re: The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition

golinux wrote:

@chillfan . . . Didn't we start saving some XUL extensions quite a while ago?  Do you still have those somewhere?  I'm still hoping they will come in handy at some point.

We did have such a thing. I don't remember exactly what happened to them but they somehow got imported mistakenly as packages, and when they were realised to be only sources taken off the packages section. I think if people want to fork XUL extensions they can dig on the developers gitlab.com pages.

There is an interesting extension that is a viewable archive of XUL extensions. See this topic. As far as I can tell mozilla isn't taking archived versions down from AMO, just no longer accepting new versions.

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