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#2601 Re: DIY » The devuan 1.0.0 desktop-live amd64 » 2017-06-04 15:17:47

The pre-checked items in the installer options window are "Disable auto-login..." (desktop and console). Un-check them if you want auto-login in the installed system.

A live iso with just xorg and a window manager is something I'm thinking about for ascii. Then people can add stuff (or fail to add it and report problems.) I will bring this up in discussion with the devs.

I had previously tried an installation from the regular installation media, & found it quite slow, as was Debians originally, which basically drove me to using live installable media.

That exact same thing drove me to writing live installers.

You can set single-click in thunar preferences, but it won't affect the desktop icons. For a short time when debian jessie was still in testing, xfce desktop had single-click. I guess they considered it a bug and "fixed" it. It's possible that there's a way to recover that feature by messing with config files, but I've never tried it.

#2602 Re: Installation » How to install DEVUAN Stable using DEBOOTSTRAP method to /target? » 2017-06-04 11:22:05

What error message did you get?

If you used the second method to add the key, make sure to include the final "-" after "add".

#2603 Re: Other Issues » Could the great, famous, FVWM95 put back into the DEVUAN repositories? » 2017-06-01 14:41:19

It's already in the repo. Install fvwm, click on the desktop to get a menu and select fvwm95 setup (or something like that - it's gone now that I've run it.) You'll get a crude looking wizard that lets you choose some options. I took the defaults, and now my window title bars are win95 blue.

For a more modern look, there's also fvwm-crystal. There's also fvwm1. I didn't try that. I assume that it's more retro than retro.

#2605 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable LTS is here!!! » 2017-05-27 12:22:07

@rufwoof:
You're right that there's no console autologin in debian-live jessie. That's a new thing for jessie, and I don't know if it was intended that way or a consequence of deprecating live-build. Lack of autologin doesn't add much in the way of security, since the login and password are public knowledge.

The console autologin is enabled in /lib/live/config/0160-sysvinit.

sed -i -e "s|^\([^:]*:[^:]*:[^:]*\):.*getty.*\<\(ttyS\?[0-9]*\).*$|\1:/bin/login -f ${LIVE_USERNAME} </dev/\2 >/dev/\2 2>\&1|" /etc/initta

Since you're modifying the images, you can do it however you need. You could remove live-config or modify the script or create a hook script to disable the sed line.

#2606 Re: Documentation » Make a live-CD with live-sdk » 2017-05-26 17:10:36

I didn't specify any packages when I tried live-build. The default setting tries to get live-config-systemd. Phil shows how to deal with that in this thread: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=612

I know at one point, I wrote a short script to go through and change the links from debian to devuan. I also tried open-infrastructure. I'll say something about those things in the live-build tips thread.

What do you mean about using the /etc/apt folder from the latest iso. You put that in the chroot includes dir so it gets copied into the iso? Or something else?

#2607 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable LTS is here!!! » 2017-05-26 14:24:40

rufwoof wrote:

Wow. MAJOR SECURITY FLAW where for at least one boot choice anyone can just Ctrl-Alt-Fn to another terminal session .... that is already logged in. Yep. Choice of each/any of all six of 'em, all conveniently pre-logged in.

You must be looking at one of the live isos. Autologin to desktop and console has been a standard debian-live feature for as long as I've been using it. (since Lenny). I think the reasoning behind it is that if you are running a live session, then you are probably sitting at the computer and will shut down the session and take your live media with you when you are finished. Autologin gets disabled for the installed system unless you change the defaults in the installer.

Note that on a regular installation, if you ctrl-alt-Fn to console and login and don't log out, that login will still be accessible even if you go back to desktop and lock the screen. This is not new and not unique to devuan. I first discovered it on debian.

#2608 Re: DIY » The devuan 1.0.0 desktop-live amd64 » 2017-05-26 10:49:46

Yes, it uses refractainstaller. The desktop icon (and the apps menu) runs a wrapper script that starts either the uefi or non-uefi version of the graphical installer. The cli installer is there, too.

Any changes in sofware or configuration of the system get copied to the hard drive.  I would anticipate some potential problems around the fact that the destop was installed with metapackages, so removal of a single package could result in a slash and burn of the desktop, including the graphical installer. That's not as bad as it sounds - since it's a live system, you can just reboot and try it again. Also, you need to have enough RAM to update the package cache and the installed packages.

#2609 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » No configuration options when (re)installing lirc » 2017-05-25 13:52:16

I just installed lirc in devuan, and the messages I get at the end of the install say that there is no /etc/lircd.conf and to configure it manually. Running 'dpkg-reconfigure lirc' returns without any messages and without runing the ncurses debconf. Installing the same package in debian jessie does not give me the messages about the config file. Running 'dpkg-reconfigure lirc' again returns without any messages and without ncurses debconf. So, I don't know if it's broken or not. Can you use it? Do you have or know what goes in the missing config file?

#2610 Re: Devuan » Bypassing networking problems with the installer. A suggestion. » 2017-05-21 02:55:55

edbarx' post was a solution to a problem with the beta installer. That problem has been fixed. The devuan installation disks will now detect your wireless hardware and provide the correct firmware. The regular install does this automatically, and the expert install asks if you want the non-free firmware or not. The live images have the firmware pre-installed and provide a script to remove all the non-free packages.

#2611 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Derived how? » 2017-05-20 01:47:13

Refracta was declared stable last August. The main things that were holding up Devuan from being declared stable had to do with the installer and desktop-base. Refracta doesn't use either of those, so there was no reason to wait. Devuan is as stable as Debian because it IS Debian with a few unnecessary dependencies removed.

#2612 Re: Documentation » Time zone » 2017-05-19 22:40:31

Thanks for pointing that out. I thought I enabled the pre-install scripts for simple install. Time zone and locale debconf dialogs should run at the beginning of the installation. They do in expert install, and post-rc2 also has keyboard settings at the same time. The simple install button is going to disappear in a future installer. Simple can be achieved with the expert install by ignoring all the checkboxes and proceeding without changing anything.

The default timezone should be UTC. That's what I get when I boot live media.

You can set the locale at boot, too. Take the second item in the boot menu, press TAB, and backspace to erase the locale code. Then replace it with your own. That runs a hook script that creates a file with the following lines (with your locale code for example.)
/etc/profile.d/zz_locale.sh

export LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
export LC_ALL=en_GB.UTF-8

But that won't change the keyboard. When editing the boot command, you could also add

keyboard-layouts=xx

where xx is the lower-case two-letter country code. In your case, I think that would be gb.

Or, on the xfce desktop, and the keyboard layout plugin to the panel, add codes (choose from the list) and use that to switch layouts.

Edit: keyboard-layouts gets a two-letter code.

#2613 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Redshift fails to start - .service files missing? » 2017-05-19 20:33:26

Maybe you need to install the firmware from backports.

apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-iwlwifi

#2614 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » wicd disrespect » 2017-05-19 20:31:38

I just tried it in a live-usb (with a post-rc2 iso) and the off switch works. I got mixed results on the wired connection. Once it connected about a minute after I killed the wireless connection, and on a subsequent reboot, it did not. I've noticed similar when I boot up with the wire unplugged and then plug it in. Sometime the connection will come up on its own, and sometimes I have to start it with 'dhclient eth0'. Maybe this is the buggy behavior I've heard people complain about. I always rely on manually connecting and disconnecting when I use the wireless.

I also tried it in debian, where hitting the 'shut off wifi' button changes it from saying 'connected' to saying 'disconnected'. But that's just what it said - I could not get out to the internet regardless of what it said.

#2615 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Redshift fails to start - .service files missing? » 2017-05-18 15:23:47

Yes, go with backports. Disable ascii. All the devs have been focused on getting jessie ready, and not much work has been done on ascii.

apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64

#2616 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » No configuration options when (re)installing lirc » 2017-05-18 12:47:00

Yes, this is a good place to ask. I don't know lirc, but it should work the same as in debian. That package wasn't altered.

The desktop-live has the same packages as a default desktop install, and the minimal-live has much less (and more, in some ways). Maybe some package is missing and isn't listed as a Depends, but I don't know what that might be.

#2617 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Redshift fails to start - .service files missing? » 2017-05-17 15:44:32

I have this feeling that it might be related to the fact I needed to add nomodeset to linux boot line in grub

Trust the Force, Luke. You are correct.
I just booted with 'nomodeset' and redshift no longer works. Neither does my brightness script that I've been using.

#2618 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Redshift fails to start - .service files missing? » 2017-05-17 14:31:36

Upgrading those four packages was probably not the right thing to do. I don't know if that will cause problems or not.

There is no randr package. Sorry. But you can run 'xrandr' on the command line to see your display settings. You should be able to change settings with xrandr, too, but maybe it's not working. Run it with no arguments to get the display name (maybe VGA-1, DVI-something, or maybe it's just called 'default').
Then try

xrandr --output <the display name> --brightness 0.7

and see if it decreases the brightness to 70%.

You might be able to use one of the other methods listed. There's a line for it in the config file. Mine says "adjustment-method=randr". You could try replacing randr with the other methods (vidmode, drm or dummy). That's my best guess. I don't really know anything about it.

#2619 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Redshift fails to start - .service files missing? » 2017-05-17 00:32:37

Make sure randr is installed. Check in synaptic. You can also see what methods are available to redshift with

redshift -m list

I can start 'redshift-gtk' on the command line if I give it my latitude and longitude. It works, it puts an icon in the system tray, and I can get an information window from that.

#2620 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Redshift fails to start - .service files missing? » 2017-05-16 22:11:55

1. First. Important: What golinux said. Don't upgrade to ascii, just take what you need and then disable ascii. I can confirm that it runs on jessie. I only tested it on command-line. I didn't set it up to run automatically, and I don't like that it wants my latitude and longitude.

This works:

 2111  redshift -O 3500
 2112  redshift -O 5500

apt-cache policy shows:

  Version table:
redshift-gtk 
    1.11-1 0
         90 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii/main amd64 Packages

gtk-redshift
     1.9.1-4 0
        500 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main amd64 Packages

#2621 Re: Documentation » Make a live-CD with live-sdk » 2017-05-16 18:31:13

pcalvert wrote:

Hi,

What is the reason for switching from live-build to live-sdk?

Phil

I'm not sure. I know that live-sdk uses some of the same libraries as the devuan sdk that's used for building all the other images, so at least part of the decision was for consistency. I also know that early on, it was impossible to build an iso with live build-that didn't include systemd. I just tried the version of live-build in jessie, and it looks like it was neglected. It still uses debian repos. I just changed that and it's running. I'll know more in a little while.

I'm hoping Ozi will say something here. He uses live-build and knows more about it.

Edit: This is with version 4.0.3-1+devuan2, which looks to be the only one in jessie, ascii and ceres.

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 live-config-systemd : Depends: systemd but it is not installable
                       Recommends: dbus but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

#2622 Re: Documentation » Install Devuan into encrypted root and swap partitions » 2017-05-15 17:27:14

Wow. It took me five attempts to get it right. Here's a video of manual partitioning (you can get there from non-expert as well as expert install).

Create a boot partition
Create a partition to be used as physical volume for encryption.
Uh... watch the video.

There are a lot of places where I drop the highlight down below the item I'm about to select, and then move up one line and select it. Did that in case it's hard to read in the red highlight.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/misc … rypt-4.ogv

#2623 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] can't get splash screen UEFI install (only scrolling text) » 2017-05-15 10:21:26

@FOSSuser: Good call.

@hughparker1: the correct locale to choose is en_GB

#2624 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] can't get splash screen UEFI install (only scrolling text) » 2017-05-14 20:15:35

Wow. The Russian is weird. Are all system messages in Russian? You can change language/locale by running

dpkg-reconfigure locales

But I don't think that will help. That's a grub message. I know there are language files in /boot/grub, but I don't know anything about how they work. Maybe some setting in /boot/grub/grub.cfg or /etc/grub.d/* thinks you want Russian.

I just learned that a big part of your problem with this install is the fact that grub-efi-amd64 is not installed in the iso. That's my error, and it will be fixed. So yes, it will be easier. You'll get a window that has some choices for what to do with grub, and one of them is to let the installer add the bootloader. All you need to do is press one button.

#2625 Re: Other Issues » MySQL » 2017-05-14 19:56:27

OK, my problem is all better now. I could not create users or groups. Went through the vaious software fixes proposed in similar posts, and none of them seemed to apply. Problem went away with a complete poweroff and blowing out dust. I can now create users and groups, and mysql-server installed without any trouble.

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