I would agree with this for the most part, have done a lot of work with it over the years, it does have some issues here and there though. Keep an eye on ~/.xsession-errors as occasionally Caja takes great exception to certain themes and will spam you to death about it.

Suggestions:
IMO the right-click extensions for Caja shouldn't be in separate packages, they should just be native.

The screenshot tool throws up like a 10 pixel border around the shot when trying to grab just a single window, yuck.

The set-as-wallpaper extension works, but it throws whatever you selected up there using the same style as the previous one had (i.e. zoom, center, stretch etc.), which in many cases is the wrong style, frequently users will use an image that's much larger or much smaller than the screen, so they wind up and have to open the settings-manager and go to the wallpaper tab anyway.

There's a couple ways to do this better, in my stuff the extension first copies the image to the wallpapers folder, then opens the wallpaper manager to set it and apply a style. Bonus there: If someone sets the paper from an arbitrary location, then later moves that image, it blanks the desktop, this way that can't happen.

You could also just have that extension open up a specific tiny dialog before applying, that asks the user to set the style.

I do agree with golinux that flatpaks are not much loved around here, myself included. Nor snaps. And if you're looking for stable deployment for customers it would seem that blithely encouraging them to download whatever from flathub or whatever flats repo, is a recipe for heartache.

Good luck and welcome to Devuan! smile

Been on Devuan for over a decade, but thanks! 

Good feedback on all of that.  I'll submit those as github issues on the spaced github ASAP.

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Issues #301, 302, and 303 posted.  Thanks again!

I've been using Devuan since the very first release.  I'm a semi-retired data center architect, and did a lot of comparison analysis, especially in those early years between Debian (after they murdered Ian and made it take the D), and Devuan.  There's no comparison.  Devuan was better full stop on every analytic.

Flatpaks are easy to use.  They exist for almost every app.  They avoid dependency hell.  They are easier for normies to pin to a specific version and not have to upgrade.  I'm sorry it took me so long to come over here to the forum, I'm not sure what communication is off the mark, but I'm here to fix that.  Instead of working on 10.26.3 and fixing the amdgpu xorg regression that just cropped up, by the way, which seems to be an upstream Ceres thing AFAIK.

I'm not building a server OS.  We have that.  That's Devuan.  I'm building a desktop OS.  Spin it up and try it out yourself.  You may even reluctantly love it.  Once Voxa is fully integrated, you'll probably hate it again, but again, this is a desktop OS for normies.  Not for us hardened sysadmins.  Let me know how I can help Devuan specifically, I put a link to devuan by default in the browser after install.  I also rave about devuan on the website and elsewhere, not sure how else to help at the moment.

Therefore the thread ended up here, because I decided that that kind of discussion is more suited to this section.

Overall this, i.e. dev1galaxy.org, is a discussions forum of many section, and certain sections should be more focussed in their topics than others. It's not always easy to do that with the range of minds around here generating all sorts of posts to make threads floating in all sorts of directions. Yet I don't see any hands raised for taking on the moderator responsibility; just the odd whining by rando's.

(Disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with the independent alternative unofficial Devuan forum which isn't a Devuan forum, despite having "devuan" in the domain name).

That's not at all true, you are in fact a member of that forum since April of this year. With quite a lot of interesting posts.

Then git yer ass over to the independent alternative Devuan forum!

What ya waitin' fer!?

*fires a few shots and rides off*

(Disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with the independent alternative unofficial Devuan forum which isn't a Devuan forum, despite having "devuan" in the domain name).

their own playpen in which to thump their chests.

yeah..cause that's all we do...all the while sounding our barbaric yawps over the roofs of the world.

See for example also how you treated KindlyDoRight who tried to help out (and hopefully didn't give up despite your treatment) in the last few days: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=8237

Why would I ban you? You just have an over active imagination and your rant says much more about you than it does about me.

Fact . . . I have NEVER unilaterally banned anyone in the history of this forum. That decision is made by consensus of all moderators. I HAVE deleted a few inappropriate posts over the years.

Fact . . . I have seen the change in the quality of Devuan users over the years and the trajectory of skills and motivations has not been encouraging for the future of freedom. Actually, it is rather depression to see what has happened to the generation that has never known a world without the internet . . .

Fact . . . am delighted that those who were really not suited for this forum now have their own playpen in which to thump their chests.

Please enlighten us . . . what have YOU contributed to Devuan?

Let's be clear here, Dev1galaxy is a support forum for Devuan, not mine or anybody else's spins or projects

That's certainly its main purpose, but this forum has a "Devuan Derivatives" subform too, so derivatives and spins are definitely within the scope of the forum.

Moving discussions about particular derivates to off-topic sections just because a mod doesn't like a particular derivative for whatever personal preferences is simply abuse of his power and will alienate both creators and users.

And similar things are happening regularly here, this is not an isolated event.

an alternative independent Devuan forum

Let's be clear here, Dev1galaxy is a support forum for Devuan, not mine or anybody else's spins or projects, and users can usually always find answers here.

Our forum was created to be a think-tank, to offer help and ideas to anyone who is an experimenter in numerous distros of all kinds. There is no animosity between us and this forum, quite the opposite, most of us actively use Devuan and appreciate the work that goes into it very much, and are actively developing solutions to upstream issues that plague us all, which might be of benefit to Devuan and the whole of the Linux community. You can see many of the projects we are working on at git.devuan.org where we freely share them in the hope that they might be useful.

The things and topics we discuss over there, would just clog up this forum with a lot of extra noise and would degrade the quality of tech support that is provided here.

I find it very sad that the official forum for such an important Distro such as Devuan is suffering under the manipulations of a single mod/admin to the point that already an alternative independent Devuan forum had to be created to escape this inappropriate and overreaching moderation.

It's people like you who are limiting the growth of Devuan by driving away people who don't conform to your personal expectations and opinions, no matter what good you allegedly did for Devuan in the past.

I don't care if you ban me for writing this, it would only prove my point, I have held back writing this for too long, and I wished I never would have had to write this.

The Compiz/MATE choice is highly intentional.  It's a clearly superior interface to all other DEs.  And it's old, stable, and fast.

I would agree with this for the most part, have done a lot of work with it over the years, it does have some issues here and there though. Keep an eye on ~/.xsession-errors as occasionally Caja takes great exception to certain themes and will spam you to death about it.

Suggestions:
IMO the right-click extensions for Caja shouldn't be in separate packages, they should just be native.

The screenshot tool throws up like a 10 pixel border around the shot when trying to grab just a single window, yuck.

The set-as-wallpaper extension works, but it throws whatever you selected up there using the same style as the previous one had (i.e. zoom, center, stretch etc.), which in many cases is the wrong style, frequently users will use an image that's much larger or much smaller than the screen, so they wind up and have to open the settings-manager and go to the wallpaper tab anyway.

There's a couple ways to do this better, in my stuff the extension first copies the image to the wallpapers folder, then opens the wallpaper manager to set it and apply a style. Bonus there: If someone sets the paper from an arbitrary location, then later moves that image, it blanks the desktop, this way that can't happen.

You could also just have that extension open up a specific tiny dialog before applying, that asks the user to set the style.

I do agree with golinux that flatpaks are not much loved around here, myself included. Nor snaps. And if you're looking for stable deployment for customers it would seem that blithely encouraging them to download whatever from flathub or whatever flats repo, is a recipe for heartache.

Good luck and welcome to Devuan!