You need to install dbus-x11 instead

For me that is the worst option.
I want as little of dbus on my system as possible.

Why? See here
https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id … us_failure

and my post on dbus in the antiX forum
https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic … ost-118320

My system is based on excalibur and the dbus daemons are excludes by a dbus-bin pin. In excalibur there is no turnstile. So installed it from antiX and the related packages and runit service too. Among these there is the optional package 'dbus-turnstile-user-session'. It contains a script '/etc/user_session.d/01_dbus':

Somehow this script catches the dependencies to dbus-bin.
If I remove 'dbus-turnstile-user-session' (which depends on turnstile), all programs that need dbus-bin will be removed.

So now I understand, why I had got no dependency complains, when I installed audacious.

Fortunately I see is no need to remove turnstile.
My guess: The cause is solver 3.

Make sure you get rid of all the pipewire, wireplumber and pulseaudio packages, and then alsa should work. (libpulse0 can stay and won't interfere.) Make sure you're using the right sound card. 'aplay -l' will show you which one is card 0 and if there's more than one, such as hdmi from your cpu, it'll show which one is card 1. There are a few ways to set the system to use the right card. Ask if you need help with that.

'refracta_14_test_xlibre_turnstile-20260507_1411.iso' has the same login packages installed as my system.

But I have turnstile as well. If I would purge it, audacious, mousepad, xfburn and gcr would be removed too.
I could not detect why. Reverse depends of turnstile only show turnstile-dbgsym.

The turnstile iso has turnstile for user services. It's only used for pipewire in the iso you used. Turnstile uses the script in ~/.user_session.d

Did you revert to using only alsa for audio after removing turnstile?

This would be possible by using packages from the antiX nosystemd repo. To do so I would have to rise the priority of the antiX nosystemd repo, but then I shall get conflicts with the runit-services package. Maybe it is possible with sysv-init, but not with runit.

This motivated me to check your 'refracta_14_test_xlibre_turnstile-20260507_1411.iso'
Maybe you have found a better solution.

You have installed elogind/libelogind0 installed and seatd, libseat1 and turnstile as well. Both fulfill the same purpose. So which one is active? To figure that out I have run two tests:

(1) # apt purge seatd turnstile
After reboot the system did not show any differences.
seatd and turnstile seem to have no effect.

(2) # apt purge elogind   (and keep seatd + turnstile)
This removed lxqt-panel. So Lxqt became unusable, but openbox was still working fine. Then I removed turnstile as well. Again this did not make any difference.

So in both cases turnstile seems to be irrelevant.

These have been my steps:

(1) install refracta_13.3_nox with runit and seatd

(2) exclude unwanted packages via pins in /etc/apt/preferences.d:
00dbus-bin 00java-common 00libelogind0 00libsystemd0 00mono-runtime-common 00nodejs 00polkitd

(3) add antiX-26 repos to refracta
Give Devuan a higher priority than antiX in /etc/apt/preferences.d
To stay as close as possible to original Devuan I have turned on the antiX repos only when needed.
(i.e.: Arandr from Devuan cannot be installed – the antiX version is fine. Plank needs gconf-gsettings-backend from antiX to function properly.)
Once the base system has been completed, I shall keep the antiX repos turned on for upgrades.

(4) install from antiX-26:
# apt install turnstile runit-service-turnstiled libturnstile0
# apt install runit-service-seatd

(5) install my proven Openbox desktop
no display manager – just xinitrc | no pipewire – pure alsa
This setup should work with all window managers.
Desktops do not work. They all need active dbus daemons, whereas this setup uses libdbus-1-3 only.

(6) Power Management
For power management I use acpid, xset and the script suspend_if_idle (combined with i3lock and kdocker).
[https://gitlab.com/antiX-Linux/antix-go … type=heads]

(7) use lxterminal as pseudo gui
i.e.; obsession is crippled, lxsession needs polkit
As workaround in the openbox menu I use commands like the following:

<execute>lxterminal --geometry=39x4 --title=PowerOff -e bash -c "echo -- ???_PowerOff_??? __ [ENTER] = yes --; read line; (openbox --exit && sudo poweroff); echo read line"
<execute>lxterminal --geometry=90x32 --title=clamscan_Downloads -e "clamscan -v -r ~/Downloads; echo '<Enter> to Close Terminal'; read line"

So far I have found a solution for all my software needs within this setup.
The system is light, fast and stable and maybe a little more secure than standard.

I had to create one single dummy for pkexec, because gparted as dependency of refractainstaller-gui demands it. Of course pkexec is not really needed. Gparted starts as well with 'lxsu' or 'su-to-root -X -c'.

An extra benefit: The limitations have inspired me to find better alternatives to standard apps.
Example: I use SQLiteStudio instead of the bloated LibreOffice-Base.

Linux-libre works well, but I prefer the Devuan kernel for the option of non-free-firmware.
So far xorg has not caused any problems. Therefore I have not yet tested xlibre. It is in the antiX-26 repo. '#apt install -s xlibre' does not show any problems, but all the xserver-xorg-input-* packages will be removed.

screenshot runit-service-manager https://postimg.cc/RqQnGVvg

screenshot #apt install xlibre https://postimg.cc/kDFtwX7f

screenshot openbox desktop https://postimg.cc/mhNFV2TS

does the device plug-in get logged in X11 log? in syslog? I think X11 needs the libinput module for hotpluggable devices, and that this interacts with udev

I've solved the issue: it seems that a prior input-only OS_SUBSYSTEM filter applied to zzz-udev-compat.act in the vdevd.1 profile left DRM without G:seat / E:ID_SEAT entries. Thanks