It's possible that it was just propaganda to make West to believe in it.

If you like conspiracy theories... maybe anti-AI propaganda is sponsored by Russians. Kremlin is not a charity organization.

If you write the software, you get to decide what options and dependencies it has.
If you package the software, you get to decide which of those are enabled.
If you just use the software, you get to complain ineffectually, and I get to give you shit for it.

ROTFL! That is some sig-line material right there.

So true too....

@Igor if you were in reality a robot and you didn't know but the rest of us did, would you want us to tell you?

The skepticism toward AI today parallels the Soviet-era rejection of cybernetics.

It's possible that it was just propaganda to make West to believe in it.
They were first or among first in AI. The soviet AI called Pankrat and some soviet ideas probably got their second birth in Deepseek.

Feeling insecure about language or whatever is not an excuse: No AI output copied to here.

We are all grown-ups; a range of ages, from very old and down to quite young. Just show respect for everyone's language ability.

Don't copy AI output to here, @igorzwx, or anyone.

Thanks for that, what I find particularly annoying is when people post LLM slop without even declaring it (and therefore pretending they wrote it themselves), people should at least have the decency to put it in quotes and declare which LLM/chatbot they got it from, just like when quoting from a website or any other source.

Don't copy AI output to here, @igorzwx, or anyone.

A possible exception to this is:

You wrote something yourself, and you asked an AI to proofread and improve your writing because you aren't very good at writing, or because English is not your native language.

Nikita Khrushchev called genetics and cybernetics "prostitutes of capitalism."
Nikolai Vavilov, a geneticist, was arrested in 1940 and died in prison in 1943.
He was a fellow of the Royal Society, that is why, perhaps, we know what happened to him.
The fates of many other Soviet scientists remain obscure.
_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Vavilov

For some strange reason, Victor Glushkov did not hate AI. In 1970, he developed the Evidence Algorithm (EA) as a research program in artificial intelligence focused on automated theorem proving. He considered AI as a part of cybernetics.

The Soviet rejection of cybernetics and repression of scientists contributed to its problems with technological innovations and failure in the Cold War arms and computing race.

It's possible to remove the D-Bus daemon and get a pretty lean desktop, but if you want every single part of it (e.g. libraries) gone, you'll pretty much have nothing to work with. I experimented with this in a VM, and it's pretty bleak if you do it. Dillo is the only "graphical" Web browser that actually does survive this purge.

There was/is an experimental Refracta ISO from the Beowulf era that removes as much D-Bus as possible, using SpaceFM with LXDE's panel in place of Xfce. Perhaps Fsmithred could upload it again for your curiosity.

I gave it a try with some input from that thread @fsmithred quoted.
I was able to run the xorg session using bspwm ok, pretty much left to terminal utilities for the most part unless you install programs using tk an the like.
Yes, dillo was a graphical web browser i could install, good old fltk.
gtk3 needs dbus libraries, not sure about gtk2, but seeing as gtk2 is being phased out, im probably out of luck there as well with binary installations.
As has been noted, one could probably build programs without dbus, i had a look into firefox but seeing as though it relies on a host of dependencies related to dbus and gtk3, one would probably have to build gtk3 without the need for dbus first then firefox without dbus, not sure if that would be even doable.
Maybe palemoon or basilisk gtk2 web browser versions could be built without dbus.
There was one browser called privacybrowser that didnt need dbus provided by debian but it wants to drag in a lot of kde/qt6 dependencies and from what ive read debian does not include support for security updates in stable in regards to the qt6-webengine.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … ug=1057755

This was just an experiment btw, not something i would use in production or daily, I need a fully functioning web browser like firefox.

But yeah here is what i did to pin all the dbus packages, not sure if all of those packages are warranted to be pinned, but why not do it anyhow!

Package: dbus
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-system-bus-common
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-system-bus-common
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-x11
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-x11
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-bin
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-bin
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-daemon
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-daemon
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-session-bus-common
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-session-bus-common
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: libdbus-1-3
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: libdbus-1-3
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

There are many subtle ways to discourage someone from posting on a forum — beyond outright censorship. Constant accusations, excessive moderation, personal attacks, or repeatedly questioning someone's intent can create a hostile environment that pushes people away.

If steve_v has censored any posts, they were his own, and there's a note showing that he edited them. He can't edit your posts. I can, and if I ever do, I will leave a note in that post saying so. If any of your posts were edited by another admin, I'm not aware of it.

fsmithred