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Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (igorzwx) — Thu, 06 Nov 2025 03:14:17 +0000

There is already arateconf utility to generate ALSA configs. It works in interactive mode. It is self-explanatory. The problem is that semi-deaf artists cannot use it because of dementia.

Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (greenjeans) — Thu, 06 Nov 2025 01:13:03 +0000

now there is one simple thing missing :
a script which does all the above in a single call.
There are people, who write extensive lists of how to do one thing after the other and have tested them .
But then instead of pouring this in a single script. they are wasting a million times of users to not save them their time.
What are computers for, if not to automatize and transfer this knowledge.
and of course the script shall be in the appropriate package.
That would be progress.

100% correct, that would be the natural progression of things in most circumstances with most good and decent folks.

Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (igorzwx) — Wed, 05 Nov 2025 15:03:58 +0000

On the contrary, that would be a regress. If the brain is not trained it regresses.
The brains of semi-deaf, semi-blind, and half-demented victims of pulseaudio do need regular training.

The brain experiences cognitive decline if not mentally stimulated, a process often described as "use it or lose it". Just as a muscle weakens from inactivity, a lack of mental training can lead to reduced thinking skills, memory problems, and a decline in creativity. This is because the brain can be thought of as a muscle that strengthens and maintains its function through regular use and challenges.

Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (bai4Iej2need) — Tue, 04 Nov 2025 11:56:24 +0000

now there is one simple thing missing :
a script which does all the above in a single call.
There are people, who write extensive lists of how to do one thing after the other and have tested them .
But then instead of pouring this in a single script. they are wasting a million times of users to not save them their time.

What are computers for, if not to automatize and transfer this knowledge.

and of course the script shall be in the appropriate package.

That would be progress.

Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (igorzwx) — Fri, 10 Oct 2025 15:03:44 +0000

Do you have compiled packages of fftrate plugin?

On RaspberryPi, run command

file /usr/bin/aplay

and post the output here.

Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (kapqa) — Fri, 10 Oct 2025 14:56:21 +0000

oh, thank you, now i see why the raspi would fail to play several streams at once when pipewire/pulse uninstalled, since it would lack probably this fftrate (arateconf ddid not compile yet)

however , am not good at telling stories, so will confine myself for the time being at listening;

this one liked , still to heed its advice

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw52Its0YKU&list=RDaw52Its0YKU&start_radio=1

Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (igorzwx) — Fri, 10 Oct 2025 13:41:53 +0000

kapqa wrote:

EDIT: but maybe this apulse is needed for kernel so that alsa can play several streams at the same time=?

apulse is not needed for kernel.

apulse is needed for you, if you want to use media applications which do not have ALSA backend.

ALSA is mixing streams in the user space, not in the kernel.

ALSA needs the fftrate plugin configured correctly to be able to play several streams at the same time with normal sound quality.

$ arateconf
...
A - Show all plugins [ ]
M - Plug-ins:
 [X] Convert,  [ ] Expand, [X] Asym
 [ ] Play Vol, [X] Dmix
 [ ] Rec. Vol, [X] Dsnoop
 [ ] Phonon,   [ ] Normalizator

See: _https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6644

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Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (kapqa) — Fri, 10 Oct 2025 13:31:16 +0000

will check on raspi for your commands, very helpful, thanks.

on this computer here , the apulse shows, would not uninstall it, but was just wondering why it is shown as "active" probably not using it atm.

/tmp/movescreen-master$ inxi -Axxx
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 82801JD/DO HD Audio vendor: Dell driver: snd_hda_intel
    v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:3a6e class-ID: 0403
  Device-2: AMD Baffin HDMI/DP Audio [Radeon RX 550 640SP / 560/560X]
    vendor: Sapphire driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s
    lanes: 8 bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:aae0 class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k6.1.0-40-amd64 status: kernel-api with: apulse
    type: pulse-emulator
rich@devuan:/tmp/movescreen-master$ inxi -Sxxx
System:
  Host: devuan Kernel: 6.1.0-40-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
    v: 12.2.0 Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.36 info: xfce4-panel
    wm: xfwm v: 4.18.0 vt: 7 dm: SLiM v: 1.4.0 Distro: Devuan GNU/Linux 5
    (daedalus)
rich@devuan:/tmp/movescreen-master$ echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
XFCE

EDIT: but maybe this apulse is needed for kernel so that alsa can play several streams at the same time=?

Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (igorzwx) — Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:32:29 +0000

If you are not a masochist, you may better stay with MATE desktop.

Do not remove apulse! It is needed to run applications which do not have ALSA backend. For example:

apulse discord

_https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse
apulse: PulseAudio emulation for ALSA.
The program provides an alternative partial implementation of the PulseAudio API. It consists of a loader script and a number of shared libraries with the same names as from original PulseAudio, so applications could dynamically load them and think they are talking to PulseAudio. Internally, no separate sound mixing daemon is used. Instead, apulse relies on ALSA's dmix, dsnoop, and plug plugins to handle multiple sound sources and capture streams running at the same time. dmix plugin muxes multiple playback streams; dsnoop plugin allow multiple applications to capture from a single microphone; and plug plugin transparently converts audio between various sample formats, sample rates and channel numbers. For more than a decade now, ALSA comes with these plugins enabled and configured by default.
apulse wasn't designed to be a drop-in replacement of PulseAudio. It's pointless, since that will be just reimplementation of original PulseAudio, with the same client-daemon architecture, required by the complete feature set. Instead, only parts of the API that are crucial to specific applications are implemented. That's why there is a loader script, named apulse. It updates value of LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable to point also to the directory where apulse's libraries are installed, making them available to the application.
Name comes from names of both ALSA and PulseAudio. As aoss was a compatibility layer between OSS programs and ALSA, apulse was designed to be compatibility layer between PulseAudio applications and ALSA.

apulse relies on ALSA's dmix, dsnoop, and plug plugins to handle multiple sound sources and capture streams running at the same time.

It means that you should also install the fftrate ALSA plugin and configure it correctly
_https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6644

$ arateconf
...
A - Show all plugins [ ]
M - Plug-ins:
 [X] Convert,  [ ] Expand, [X] Asym
 [ ] Play Vol, [X] Dmix
 [ ] Rec. Vol, [X] Dsnoop
 [ ] Phonon,   [ ] Normalizator

I do not use Bluetooth headphones, because of low sound quality. But they can be used with ALSA.

You may post your theory about "Bluetooth and health hazard" to "Off-topic" forum. It might be interesting to discuss.

kapqa wrote:

think it is based on MATE but could be wrong

Post here the output of these commands:

inxi -Axxx

inxi -Sxxx

echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP

For example:

inxi -Sxxx
System:
  Host: devuan Kernel: 6.1.0-40-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
    v: 12.2.0 Desktop: MATE v: 1.26.0 info: mate-panel wm: marco v: 1.26.1 vt: 7
    dm: LightDM v: 1.26.0 Distro: Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus)

$ inxi -S
System:
  Host: devuan Kernel: 6.1.0-40-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: MATE
    v: 1.26.0 Distro: Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus)

$ echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
MATE

Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (kapqa) — Fri, 10 Oct 2025 10:28:11 +0000

have re-install RasPiOS Bookworm since it give me no issues when uninstalling Pipewire/Pulseaudio; think it is based on MATE but could be wrong; have not used Gnome 2 quite some time; mate is not my favorite, but have fond memories of Debian Squeeze.

on another computer running Devuan 5.0 after uinstalling Pulseaudio now it shows

API: ALSA v: k6.1.0-31-amd64 status: kernel-api with: apulse
    type: pulse-emulator

is this proper alsa or do i still need to uninstall packages?
don't use bluetooth anymore most of times since it is considerable health hazard; but previously liked to connect Ipad to Internet via Bluetooth PAN which function well, less so with Android models. Nowadays it is implemented also on Gnome3; but it proably best to ditch/skp 2.4Ghz frequency altogether. certainly using Bluetooth Emitter on your head is next to foolish (but then i am using a Smartwatch that has also Bluetooth, so who am i to call out folishness; but atleast i can use AirPlane Mode on the watch and it still give me most of functionality, but still consider me part big time foolish to use it).

Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (igorzwx) — Thu, 09 Oct 2025 13:46:14 +0000

It does work on the latest Linux Mint MATE.
Pipewire was removed without problems.
The fftrate ALSA plugin was installed and configured without any problems.
BlueALSA also works on Linux Mint MATE
_https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56780#p56780
and the script to toggle ALSA configs also works without problems.
_https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=57177#p57177
Bluetooth headphones: Bowers & Wilkins PX7 S2e

Install Devuan MATE on your RaspberryPi and start a new topic.

Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (kapqa) — Thu, 09 Oct 2025 12:30:57 +0000

@igorzwx,

thanks, it would function for 22.1 linux mint, but not for 22.2, maybe on mate yes, but i tried cinnamon.
also big issues for raspios trxie, there is however possibility to start from non-desktop and go from there , but one gets a very trimmed-down desktop, which one 2GB ram can be also blessing; however, the raspi-os desktop is rather polished, nice (mate).

if you want, i'll send you my raspi4 so you can check out with arateconf , since it seem not function on arm64 (build failure) but maybe jsut doing it wrong;

best of wished

(KDE is bit lame on forum etc, but overall the desktop is quite nice, atleast is was previously, and audio offered more tuning option).

Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (igorzwx) — Wed, 08 Oct 2025 21:42:51 +0000

It is not difficult to remove pipewire from Linux Mint.

Run

dpkg -l | grep pipewire

Remove pipewire-alsa, pipewire-audio, wireplumber and other pipewire packages TOGETHER with other crap

sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils pavucontrol pulseaudio-module-bluetooth pipewire pipewire-bin pipewire-pulse pipewire-alsa pipewire-audio wireplumber

It does work on Linux Mint MATE.
It was tested by Linux Mint users.

It should also work on RaspiOS.

kapqa wrote:

tried with RaspiOS latest /(based on Trixie) and it would lead to broken Desktop/Black Screen and just cursor moving

If KDE depends on PipeWire, remove KDE and install MATE.

...modern versions of KDE, especially the underlying components, have a strong dependency on PipeWire for its audio server... While it may still be possible to run KDE with PulseAudio, newer versions of core components like KWin have made PipeWire (specifically the pipewire-session-manager, which is provided by wireplumber) a direct dependency

The problem is that you create myths about problems instead of thinking how to solve them.

Nobody else had problems with arateconf since 2010.

Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (kapqa) — Tue, 07 Oct 2025 17:35:07 +0000

could be that uninstalling pipewire getting more difficult and resulting in similar troubles as with Debian 7 and uinstalling Pulseaudio at time;

tried with RaspiOS latest /(based on Trixie) and it would lead to broken Desktop/Black Screen and just cursor moving;
tried with Linux Mint 22.2 (based on Ubuntu 24.04 noble, although hardinfo2 reports it based on Debian testing/sid) and uninstalling pipewire seem difficult

inxi -Axxx
Audio:
Device-1: AMD Navi 31 HDMI/DP Audio driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie:
speed: 16 GT/s lanes: 8 bus-ID: 03:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:ab30 class-ID: 0403
Device-2: AMD Rembrandt Radeon High Definition Audio vendor: ASUSTeK
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: speed: 16 GT/s lanes: 16
bus-ID: 13:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:1640 class-ID: 0403
Device-3: AMD Family 17h/19h HD Audio vendor: ASUSTeK
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: speed: 16 GT/s lanes: 16
bus-ID: 13:00.6 chip-ID: 1022:15e3 class-ID: 0403
API: ALSA v: k6.14.0-33-generic status: kernel-api
Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.5 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse
status: active 2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin

 sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils pavucontrol pulseaudio-module-bluetooth pipewire pipewire-bin pipewire-pulse
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Package 'pulseaudio' is not installed, so not removed
Package 'pavucontrol' is not installed, so not removed
Package 'pulseaudio-module-bluetooth' is not installed, so not removed
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 pipewire-alsa : Depends: pipewire (= 1.0.5-1ubuntu3.1) but it is not going to be installed
 pipewire-audio : Depends: pipewire-pulse
                  Depends: wireplumber but it is not going to be installed
E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.

but this is bit out of place since Devuan just function really well, thanks for that.

Re: [SOLVED] (alsa) arateconf not saving properly

dummy@example.com (mweishaar) — Tue, 07 Oct 2025 16:14:59 +0000

fyi, you can run this to get more detailed info out of inxi, the xxx works on other flags too...

inxit -Axxx