OS ▸  Debian GNU/Linux Trixie x86_64
       BD++++D+D+::::::+D                               Kernel ▸  Linux 6.19.14-2-liquorix-amd64
      D+-::::=D+::::::::+BBDD+                          Uptime ▸  1 hour, 52 mins
     D=::::::=B=-::::::=BB++=+D                         Processes ▸  327
     D-:::::=BDD=-::-=+B=-::::=D                        Packages ▸  2217
     B+--==+++===++BDD+:::::::-D                        Window Manager ▸  dwm (XLibre)
   DB+++==:::::::::-+D-:::::::=D                        Shell ▸  zsh 5.9
  D=:::::::::::::::::++:::::-+D                         Terminal ▸  xterm 409
D+::::::::::::::::::+D++==+BD+                         Terminal Font ▸  JetBrains Mono Nerd Font:style=Regular (11pt)
  D=:::::::::::::::::+BD+=--:-+D                        Terminal Theme ▸  ● ● ● ● ● ● ● ●
   B+=-::::::::::::::B+-::::::=D                        Brightness ▸  100% [Built-in]
    DBB++-::::::::::-D:::::::-+D                        CPU ▸  12 x AMD Ryzen 7 7445HS
        DB+:::::::::+D=-:::-=+D                         GPU ▸  GeForce RTX 4050 Max-Q / Mobile
          D=:::::::-D +BDBBD+                           GPU ▸  AMD Radeon 740M Graphics
           B+--::-=D                                    RAM ▸  2.39 GiB / 14.88 GiB (16%)
            +BDBDD+                                     Swap ▸  0 B / 7.45 GiB (0%)
                                                        Disk ▸  1.09 TiB / 1.78 TiB (61%) - ext4

To answer a few questions I see in this thread.  For me XLibre performance is about 6-7% better than with non-XLibre.  Like many here, I am not a fan of Wayland- I ran it for a year to give it a test... and if I only ran a single wm without conky, I could make it work.  But I run with dwm,i3wm,openbox and choose not survive with a crippled conky (maybe its fixed these days; I don't know).   Should I use systemd... just to answer that item, I need my stupid VRAM (nVidia) to work because I run a local AI on my machine- for lots of reasons that would probably get this note thrown off here.  Suffice it to say, nVidia is necessary for resilience and grandsons- not optional and nVidia is also blindingly painful, but I have it working. Yay.

In general, the politics alluded to here re: XLibre are a pretty obvious issue for some folks.  I have not personally encountered any problems.  So, it's alright so far.  For any who would like to see my stupid-simple XLibre install it's freely available here: 

https://codeberg.org/eirenicon/dwm-XLibre

btw. it is worth every penny you paid for it, as well.

https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

0   apt install linux-headers-generic

1, using nvidia-detect

(it would say in my case "nvidia-tesla-470-something")

then i went to

11. debian bullseye (470.xx)

instead of

# apt install nvidia-driver firmware-misc-nonfree

adapted to

# apt install nvidia-tesla-470-driver firmware-misc-nonfree --no-install-recommends

after reboot, there is some error message during booting process related to nvidia, however it seems the graphics driver is active and somewhwat functioning; (tested with geekbench --compute) there is no opencl, installed, however.

the "--no-install-recommends" portion was needed, since otherwise there would be error with devuan package "nvidia-persistenced" that has been discussed on the forum.

hopefully on devuan 6 this can all be easier, and no-install-recommends is no longer needed.

Sorry. But are you replying to my question in
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=63534#p63534 or you commenting something else?

I am a bit confused about relationship between cuda drivers and my issues with empty/black windows under XLibre.

From my Excalibur on XLibre VM:

~$ env | grep -E -i 'x11|xorg|wayland'
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11

sudo apt install linux-headers-amd64

wget https://developer.download.nvidia.com/c … -1_all.deb

sudo dpkg -i cuda-keyring_1.1-1_all.deb

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install cuda-drivers

sudo reboot

Any details on recommended nvidia driver(s) and settings to make nvidia+prime laptop configurations work?
Currently I have only black windows under XLibre+Excalibur.
See https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/2567

BR

Enrico does indeed "break stuff" in master from time to time, but as of right now the Xlibre project as a whole is maintaining pretty good release quality.
So yeah, "broke stuff" is valid... If your goal is to never break anything, even in an unreleased master branch. Run things that way and you don't make any progress though, omelettes eggs, yada yada.

As for politics, I for one do not care in the slightest. I simply want a sane development process and software that fits the needs of both app developers and end users. Right now Xlibre is both, while Wayland is neither (wayland is policy > code, and development by committee. It shows.)

Gr, Brgs

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/wik … -for-seatd

Besides that, X is not dead or abandoned, not by a longshot.
At least from what I have seen lately.

Yeah nothing like someone getting fed up making you look bad by doing some actual work for a change on a project to get people off their ass and doing some work on the mostly abandoned project except for security fixes being applied. There were many many patches the X people left laying around to rot until the fork happened and started to apply them that got those X people off their asses to do something..

That is the question I have been wanting to see an answer to for a good while now.
Still waiting ...

NB: I am not a fan of new/shiny just because it is out there.

Besides that, X is not dead or abandoned, not by a longshot.
At least from what I have seen lately.

And it is mature and proven code, isn't it?

No, new for the sake of newiness is not for me.
ie: I firmly believe that it is the root of all enshittification.

Best,

A.