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			<title><![CDATA[Re: runit: exim4 is broken]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52714#p52714</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />regardless how bad it&#039;s exim4, either it need to be fixed or dropped from runit-services package.<br />I&#039;ll have a look, thanks for reporting</p><p>Lorenzo</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Lorenzo)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2024 21:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: runit: exim4 is broken]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52600#p52600</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello:</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Alverstone wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>If DMA works out of the box ...</p></div></blockquote></div><p>It should.</p><p>In my case, I first made sure I purged all / everything <span class="bbc">exim4</span> related from my system, rebooted to make sure and then and installed <span class="bbc">DMA</span>.<br />Had no issues, my system mail works perfectly well and a little old thingue called <span class="bbc">coolmail</span>* sits in a corner on my desktop and lets me know when any system mail gets delivered to my box.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Alverstone wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>... no idea why I need exim4 ...</p></div></blockquote></div><p>It got/gets installed by default in all (?) Devuan editions.</p><p>System mail was, till my <span class="bbc">exim4</span> incident, something absolutely transparent to me.<br />No idea it was called <span class="bbc">exim4</span>, much less how complex it was.</p><p>Think a Norton 500 instead of a single speed rear-coaster brake cycle to go for your order of onion bhajis four blocks from your house.</p><p>I have put forth here at Dev1 that it would be a good idea to replace <span class="bbc">exim4</span> with <span class="bbc">DMA</span> as the default MTA in <em>all</em> Devuan releases, with the exception of (maybe) <span class="bbc">server</span>. ie: desktop-live, netinstall, desktop and minimal-live.</p><p>The logic behind that idea is that if a user knows about <em>and</em> needs whatever advantage <span class="bbc">exim4</span> has with respect to <span class="bbc">DMA</span>, they will install it.<br />Otherwise, their system&#039;s MTA will be absolutely transparent to them. ie: it will just work as intended.</p><p>The plus will be that they will have avoided the possibility of hassle and wasted resources. </p><p>* See here: <a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=30487#p30487" rel="nofollow">https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=30487#p30487</a></p><p>Best,</p><p>A.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Altoid)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 18:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: runit: exim4 is broken]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52597#p52597</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>check that you untick &quot;install recommended packages as dependencies&quot;&#160; in synaptic preferences and you might not have got that pulled in with something else. I made that mistake for the first few packages after a new install recently, and wondered why all sorts of rubbish was being pulled in.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Mike-thinky)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 18:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: runit: exim4 is broken]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52595#p52595</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Altoid wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>That said and unless you really need something as complex as <span class="bbc">exim4</span> running in your box, you may want to consider using a simpler, much lighter and less complicated MTA such as <span class="bbc">Dragonfly</span>.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>If <span class="bbc">DMA</span> works out of the box, I&#039;ll use it instead. I have no idea why I need <span class="bbc">exim4</span> at all. I do not carry out any administrative work that requires mail. I don&#039;t use /var/mail at all, I just don&#039;t need it. No use cases.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Alverstone)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 18:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: runit: exim4 is broken]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello:</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>stopAI wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>... I missed it.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>It was <em>my</em> mistake.</p><p>I linked to the <span class="bbc">DragonflyBSD</span> page because it is where all data / info / How-to is, very complete.</p><p>But forgetting that when I went looking for it, I <em>also</em> found it hard to get the package location, I neglected to explain that for <span class="bbc">Debian</span> / <span class="bbc">Devuan</span> it is called <span class="bbc">DMA</span>. ie: <strong>D</strong>ragonFly <strong>M</strong>ail <strong>A</strong>gent&#160; </p><p><span class="bbc">DragonflyBSD</span> and <span class="bbc">DMA</span> are the same application, different ports / packaging (?).</p><p>Best,</p><p>A.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Altoid)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 16:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: runit: exim4 is broken]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52591#p52591</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Look again:</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Yes, you are right. Somehow I missed it. Thank you.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (stopAI)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 15:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: runit: exim4 is broken]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52589#p52589</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello:</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>stopAI wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>... not available in the official Devuan package repository...</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Look again:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>~$ apt list | grep dma
--- snip ---
dma/stable,now 0.13-1+b1 amd64 [installed]
dma/stable 0.13-1+b1 i386
--- snip ---
~$</code></pre></div><p>See:<br /><a href="https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&amp;q=dma&amp;x=submit" rel="nofollow">https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … a&amp;x=submit</a><br /><a href="https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&amp;q=dma=0.13-1+b1" rel="nofollow">https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/pack … =0.13-1+b1</a></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Devuan Package View wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Package: dma<br />Version: 0.13-1+b1<br />Installed-Size: 161<br />Maintainer: Arno Töll &lt;arno@debian.org&gt;<br />Architecture: amd64<br />Replaces: mail-transport-agent<br />Provides: mail-transport-agent<br />Depends: <br />ucf (&gt;= 0.28), debconf (&gt;= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libc6 (&gt;= 2.33), libssl3 (&gt;= 3.0.0)<br />Conflicts: mail-transport-agent<br />Homepage: <a href="https://github.com/corecode/dma" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/corecode/dma</a><br />Description-en: lightweight mail transport agent</p><p>The DragonFly Mail Agent is a small Mail Transport Agent (MTA), designed for home and office use.&#160; It accepts mails from local Mail User Agents (MUA) and delivers them either to local mailboxes or remote SMTP servers.&#160; Remote delivery includes support for features such as TLS/SSL and SMTP authentication.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Best,</p><p>A.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Altoid)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 11:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: runit: exim4 is broken]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52587#p52587</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>That said and unless you really need something as complex as exim4 running in your box, you may want to consider using a simpler, much lighter and less complicated MTA such as Dragonfly.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Hello.</p><p>This package is not available in the official Devuan package repository...and compiling it is not a good idea.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (stopAI)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 11:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: runit: exim4 is broken]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello:</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Alverstone wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>... broken. exim4 complains about incompatible command line parameters.</p></div></blockquote></div><p><span class="bbc">Exim4</span> had a <em>huge</em> lot of issues at one point and it could be that (depending on your installed version / upgrade cycle) you are suffering them now.</p><p>You may want to have a read at <a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4379" rel="nofollow">this</a> thread (specifically the last two posts) to get an idea of what <em>may</em> be going on in your box.</p><p><a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=30412#p30412" rel="nofollow">https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=30412#p30412</a><br /><a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=30469#p30469" rel="nofollow">https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=30469#p30469</a></p><p>That said and unless you <em>really</em> need something as complex as <span class="bbc">exim4</span> running in your box, you may want to consider using a simpler, much lighter and less complicated MTA such as <span class="bbc">Dragonfly</span>.</p><p>See <a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4679" rel="nofollow">this</a> thread and the <a href="https://www.dragonflybsd.org/handbook/mta/" rel="nofollow">DragonflyBSD</a> web page.</p><p>Best,</p><p>A.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Altoid)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[runit: exim4 is broken]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52566#p52566</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>run file that came by default as <span class="bbc">/usr/share/runit/sv.now/exim4</span> is</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>#!/usr/bin/env /lib/runit/invoke-run
#Copyright: 2022 Lorenzo Puliti &lt;plorenzo@disroot.org&gt;
#License: CC0-1.0

exec 2&gt;&amp;1

# only works for &quot;combined&quot; configuration mode
QUEUERUNNER=&#039;combined&#039;
[ -d /run/exim4 ] || \
  install -d -oDebian-exim -gDebian-exim -m750 /run/exim4
LANG=C
export LANG

if [ -e /etc/runit/verbose ]; then
        echo &quot;invoke-run: starting ${PWD##*/}&quot;
fi
#-bdf is also ok but no log to stdout for svlogd
exec /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -d -q${QFLAGS}${QUEUEINTERVAL} $COMMONOPTIONS $QUEUERUNNEROPTIONS $SMTPLISTENEROPTIONS</code></pre></div><p>It is broken. exim4 complains about incompatible command line parameters. <span class="bbc">runit</span> ends up racking my PID table by constant attempts to restart. My current (half clueless) workaround is</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>mkdir env
echo 30m &gt; env/QUEUEINTERVAL</code></pre></div>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Alverstone)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 12:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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