I'd avoid rebasing on not-yet-screwed-up distro but go further and already change to *BSD (second largest family of libre OSes), like Hyperbola tries to.

Hyperbola devs could definitely use help and funds. The more funds they receive, the faster they can finish HyperbolaBSD's stable.

Also, the more architectures in the future they can support and so on.

Then a devuan fork could be formed from it.

I agree, linux is getting really bloated by crap.

WISH YOU ALL A WONDERFUL NEW YEAR'S EVE
and to
WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY NEW YEAR.

You are a mighty good community, and the love for Devuan Linux we all share is unbreakable.
Thank you, Devuaners, and keep on going forward happily.

"Where there is a will, there is a way."

. . . only if there are developers lining up to do the work . . .

As for the rest..

"Where there is a will, there is a way." -- here's hoping.

This is a misrepresentation of the state of things. While it's true we have to fight with upstream w.r.t. what's related to systemd, without Debian we wouldn't even have a miniscule fraction of manpower to manage the huge package repository that we today inherit from Debian. The devs would be drowning in package maintenance, there would be no resources left for innovation.

Hence "new base", not "everything from scratch".

I'm not suggesting it, I'm predicting/forecasting that it will happen - because it's the logical next step and the last 14 or so years have already shown us the intentions and the roadmap.  Debian is heading in a particular direction, which is going to be more and more incompatible with derivatives that choose to avoid systemd as time goes on.  This is due to the goals and objectives of the Debian project, but also the mission of the systemd project and its developers.  The systemd project engineers its software to force migration and adoption, by taking over core functionality previously provided by separate utilities and coercing/forcing developers to build in further dependencies or suffer inconvenience/extra workload/maintenance.

Developers on the corporate payroll, vs volunteers with limited time.

Essentially Linux and the major distributions are owned and controlled by those corporations you see listed on the Linux foundation website.  It has already happened.

That is why I try to help in these & other forums, it is my way of giving something back to the community, in a way that I am able.

If it weren't for the likes of AntiX & Devuan, I would have gone over to the BSDs full time a while ago, when systemd arrived on the scene, but thanks to the programmers that though like myself, I am still able to use a familiar O/S.....

Also, if it wasn't for people setting up & maintaining forums such as here, where would we even be able to discuss our preferred O/S, so my thanks also go to our forum maintainers....

Solidification and certainty in one's social circle can be a beneficent thing; but, it is also subject to social entropy, decay, and exclusionary behavior.

On top of that, well written words can be extremely useful, for the pen is mightier than the sword; and that's exactly what programming is, (hopefully) well written words in a specific language that instructs compilers on how to instruct computers, etc.

These are trying times, however.  So, perhaps some things get lost in translation, from time to time..

All that aside..

Thanks Devuan!

-goat

Lol boy do you have a warped view of who I am.

Ditto . . . and I would be happy to explore that via email . . .   

But nevermind that. I'm perfectly fine not participating in this, shall I say, "interesting" community where ad hominem is equated with love and joy and cooperation.

I have nothing against you, and hold no grudge, but I hope you can see for yourself what you have just done. Perhaps, just perhaps, there's room for improvement somewhere? Just sayin'.

Anyway, that's quite enough from me. Time to shut up and return to my "cave". Have a nice day!

In that post you gave some personal history regarding Debian/Devuan and your personal life. You were showered with a warm welcome and plenty of information.

You are very good with words but haven't a clue about the history and interpersonal relationships that it has taken to get Devuan to this point and makes it so special. It has been about love and joy and cooperation.

Seems you might not be a good fit with the ethos here . . .

I do hope that you can learn to deal with your anger more constructively going forward . . .

I guess I must have missed the memo, is this how people welcome each other in 2024?  Wow, I'm so outdated on what the new norms are on social etiquette.  Is this what they mean by "generation gap"?  Guess I should crawl back to my primitive cave and stay there until I learn how to treat another human being with ad hominem and derision as a way of encouraging their contribution.  It's certainly a novel idea, I must say.  Never thought of it before myself.  I guess I have you to thank for this enlightenment.

Now excuse me while I retire to my cave to muse over the deep significance of this "revelation".

We will fork the Linux ecosystem and leave the unified world behind.

Linux (the kernel) will adapt increasingly to systemd's existence and forking that monster that soon won't work without systemd at all just would be the next manpower problem and a continuous fight against growing windmills.  I only see a future for Linux in the dimension with locked-in users.  $THEY won.  Linux now is the new Windows, just get used to that.

*RIBBIT!*

"Instead of complaining, do something about it." is something we've all seen occasionally in Linux forums. That it's about open source makes it possible to suggest. However, rewriting specific functions of an existing OS's internal code takes a great deal of time, as well as the continuing commitment to maintain. Yet to take on a project like Devuan when most of the Linux community was moving in a different direction?

I think it's worth repeating...