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			<title><![CDATA[Re: A scientific test for resamplers.]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Do you think that &quot;Caruso&quot; may sound better with MPD-8 DAC, when it is downsampled to 48kHz?</p><p>The assumption is that Rushton Paul is using Mac for playing 32bit Float DXDs with the Playback Designs MPD-8 DAC (which cannot play 32bit Float DXDs).</p><p><strong>Audio Device Setup for Mac</strong><br />_https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/audio-midi-setup-for-mac/</p><p>MacBook Pro (2023)&#160; &#160;<br />Applications &gt; Utilities &gt; Audio MIDI Setup</p><p>MacBook Pro Microphone (built-in)<br />1 channel <br />Bit rate: 32bit Float&#160; <br />Default sample rate: 48kHz<br />Maximum sample rate: 96kHz</p><p>MacBook Pro Speakers (built-in)<br />2 channels <br />Bit rate: 32bit Float&#160; <br />Default sample rate: 48kHz<br />Maximum sample rate: 96kHz</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>32-bit float audio can capture the absolutely ludicrous range of <span style="color: #FF0000"><strong>up to 1,528 dB</strong></span>. That’s not only massively beyond the scope of 24-bit audio, but it’s beyond the scale of what even counts as a sound on Earth.<br />_https://www.wired.com/story/32-bit-float-audio-explained/</p></div></blockquote></div><p>It means, perhaps, that might be possible to record &quot;The Year 1812, Solemn Overture, Op. 49&quot;</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>The 1812 Overture is scored for an orchestra that consists of the following:<br /><strong>Brass band:</strong> &quot;Open&quot; instrumentation consisting of &quot;any extra brass instruments&quot; available. In some indoor performances, the part may be played on an organ. Military or marching bands also play this part. Note: the brass band or its substitute is meant to play during the finale only.<br /><strong>Woodwinds:</strong> 1 piccolo, 2 flutes, 2 oboes, 1 cor anglais, 2 clarinets in B♭ and 2 bassoons<br /><strong>Brass:</strong> 4 horns in F, 2 cornets in B♭, 2 trumpets in E♭, 3 trombones (2 tenor, 1 bass) and 1 tuba<br /><strong>Percussion:</strong> timpani, orchestral bass drum, snare drum, cymbals, tambourine, triangle, carillon<br /><strong>Strings:</strong> violins I &amp; II, violas, cellos and double basses.<br /><span style="color: #FF0000"><strong>Artillery:</strong></span> one battery of cannon, or even ceremonial field artillery.<br />_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1812_Overture#Instrumentation</p></div></blockquote></div>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, “that Caruso is nonsense, my neighbor sang it to me yesterday...” <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2024 18:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I can play them with MPlayer (Devuan) on Intel HDA (see my previous post).</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2024 18:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re all talking about these, of course not.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2024 17:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>You can download free samples here:<br />_https://positive-feedback.com/reviews/music-reviews/what-we-hear-with-dxd-32-bit-files/</p><p>You can play them with MPlayer</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>sudo apt install mplayer</code></pre></div><div class="codebox"><pre class="vscroll"><code>$ mplayer &quot;08-Faust - Funeral March Of A Marionette - 32bit.wav&quot;
MPlayer UNKNOWN-12 (C) 2000-2023 MPlayer Team
do_connect: could not connect to socket
connect: No such file or directory
Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control.

Playing 08-Faust - Funeral March Of A Marionette - 32bit.wav.
libavformat version 59.27.100 (external)
libavformat file format detected.
[wav @ 0x7fab12c87d00]Discarding ID3 tags because more suitable tags were found.
[lavf] stream 0: audio (pcm_f32le), -aid 0
[lavf] stream 1: video (png), -vid 0, Picture
VIDEO:  [MPNG]  607x603  0bpp  90000.000 fps    0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)
libva info: VA-API version 1.17.0
libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so
libva info: Found init function __vaDriverInit_1_17
libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so init failed
libva info: va_openDriver() returns 1
libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_drv_video.so
libva info: Found init function __vaDriverInit_1_8
libva info: va_openDriver() returns 0
==========================================================================
Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg&#039;s libavcodec codec family
libavcodec version 59.37.100 (external)
[png @ 0x7fab121fdd20]Requested frame threading with a custom get_buffer2() implementation which is not marked as thread safe. This is not supported anymore, make your callback thread-safe.
Selected video codec: [ffpng] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg PNG)
==========================================================================
Clip info:
 artist: Alexander Gibson -RPHO
 date: 2024-01-15
 album: Gounod - Bizet - Alexander Gibson Royal Opera House Orchestra
 encoder: Merging Technologies Album Publishing
 title: Faust - Funeral March Of A Marionette
 track: 8/9
Load subtitles in ./
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Opening audio decoder: [pcm] Uncompressed PCM audio decoder
AUDIO: 352800 Hz, 2 ch, floatle, 22579.2 kbit/100.00% (ratio: 2822400-&gt;2822400)
Selected audio codec: [pcm] afm: pcm (Uncompressed PCM)
==========================================================================
AO: [oss] 192000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
Starting playback...
Could not find matching colorspace - retrying with -vf scale...
Opening video filter: [scale]
Movie-Aspect is 1.01:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect.
[swscaler @ 0x7fab12e13f20]bicubic scaler, from rgba to yuv420p using MMXEXT
VO: [vdpau] 608x604 =&gt; 609x604 Planar YV12 
Movie-Aspect is 1.01:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect.
VO: [vdpau] 608x604 =&gt; 609x604 Planar YV12 
No pts value from demuxer to use for frame!
pts after filters MISSING
A:   0.0 V:-9223372036854775808.0 A-V:  0.000 ct:  0.000   0/  0 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0 0.54x 
Possibly bad interleaving detected.
Use -ni option if this causes playback issues and avoid or fix the program that created the file.
A:   3.0 V:-9223372036854775808.0 A-V:  0.000 ct:19449.693   0/  0  0%  0%  0.0% 0 0 0.54x 

Exiting... (Quit)</code></pre></div><p>It does play DXDs (with downsampling and format conversion):</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>==========================================================================
Opening audio decoder: [pcm] Uncompressed PCM audio decoder
AUDIO: 352800 Hz, 2 ch, floatle, 22579.2 kbit/100.00% (ratio: 2822400-&gt;2822400)
Selected audio codec: [pcm] afm: pcm (Uncompressed PCM)
==========================================================================
AO: [oss] 192000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
Starting playback...</code></pre></div>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2024 17:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea, I don&#039;t have such files</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2024 17:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>OK, let us put it as simple as possible.</p><p>Can your DAC play 32bit float audio files (which it should not play)?</p><p>Have you tried?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2024 17:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t want to speculate about something I haven&#039;t heard.</p><p>In general, the higher the sampling frequency, the “smaller” the steps, by smoothing which the DAC receives an analog signal. All the more subtle nuances we can hear. In practice, there is, for example, jitter, unevenness of the count caused by a change in the frequency of the clock generator. The latter is possible, for example, due to impulse noise in the power supply, interference, etc. and so on.<br />How does it differ in different operating modes of the resampler and different processor loads?</p><p>So I just don&#039;t know. <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>P.S. By analogy with the landscape outside the window. The sound reproduction system consists of different parts and the quality of each determines the degree of “cleanliness of the window”. The super quality of one element can simply be hidden by the mediocre quality of another. There are many options in each specific case.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2024 16:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>If everything has already been clarified, then, perhaps, you may answer my question. <br />May I ask it again?</p><p>My hypothesis is that the Playback Designs MPD-8 DAC is playing 32bit float DXDs (which it should not play), because a sound system, or a player &quot;performs the necessary format conversions in software&quot;.</p><p>Would you agree that it might be the case?</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>CONNECTING THE MPD-8 TO A WINDOWS BASED PC or APPLE MAC<br /><strong>Supported resolutions:</strong> PCM: all sample rates up to 384kHz and word lengths <strong><span style="color: #FF0000">up to 24 bits.</span></strong><br />DSD: native up to 11.2MHz and DoP up to 5.6MHz<br />Connection protocol and method: USB 2.0 / Audio class 2.0 compliant, asynchronous mode where MPD-<br />8 generates high precision clock master and computer is clock slaved.<br />PC requirements: Windows 7 or later, ASIO compatible player software such as JRiver<br />etc.<br />Mac requirements: OS X (10.6.6 or later)<br />If your computer is a Mac running OSX 10.6.6 or later you don’t need any driver software as <strong>OSX already supports all PCM formats up to 384kHz sample rate. </strong><br />_http://playbackdesigns.com/docs/manuals/PlaybackDesigns_MPD-8_Manual1v1.pdf</p></div></blockquote></div><div class="codebox"><pre><code>$ mediainfo &quot;08-Faust - Funeral March Of A Marionette - 32bit.wav&quot; | grep Audio -A11
Audio
Format                                   : PCM
Format profile                           : Float
Codec ID                                 : 3
Codec ID/Hint                            : IEEE 
Duration                                 : 4 min 35 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 22.6 Mb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 352.8 kHz
Bit depth                                : 32 bits
Stream size                              : 743 MiB (100%)</code></pre></div><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>I&#039;ve written here and there about my preference for listening to 32-bit PCM versus 24-bit PCM files (either 352.8kHz or 384kHz)...<br />But wait, you say... The Playback Designs MPD-8 accepts only 24-bit input files, so how can this be?<br />_https://positive-feedback.com/reviews/music-reviews/what-we-hear-with-dxd-32-bit-files/</p></div></blockquote></div><p>If he is using MAC, DXD waves and flacs are likely to be downsampled to 48kHz (default) . OSX resamplers can do the work.</p><p>If &quot;OSX already supports all PCM formats up to 384kHz sample rate&quot;, it does not mean that the OSX driver for MPD-8 DAC supports 384kHz sample rate. It may simply mean that OSX resamplers support 384kHz sample rate.<br />In this case, Foobar2000 may fail to play DXDs in &quot;exclusive mode&quot;.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>_https://support.apple.com/en-gb/108326<br />Play high sample rate audio on your Mac<br />The hardware digital-to-analogue converter (DAC) built into compatible Mac computers supports sample rates of <strong><span style="color: #FF0000">up to 96 kHz.</span></strong></p></div></blockquote></div><p>The result of downsampling depends on the quality of the resampler and resolution of the original file.<br />If the original DXD wave is 32bit Float, downsampling to 48kHz (or 96kHz) may produce a better sound quality.<br />That is why, perhaps, Rushton Paul claims that 32bit DXDs are better than 24bit DXDs.</p><p>Would you agree with this?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2024 09:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Before you make a discovery, look at the textbook.&quot; (C) (Not mine)<br />Have an understanding of the theory of harmonic steam processes and the capabilities of SpectraLab.<br />And Audigy2, yes, 192 kHz (4*48).<br />Thank you, it’s my fault, there are a lot of buttons, I’m the only one, who couldn’t cope.</p><p>P.S. I didn&#039;t expect it myself. </p><p>Yesterday, upon requesting “SpectraLab...” Google returned a link to one of the radio forums with my participation from 2011. <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /><br />My point is that these issues were discussed a long time ago and everything has already been clarified.</p><p>And you can imagine my “interest” in empty chatter on this topic...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2024 05:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>aluma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I use audigy2, 24 bit, 195 kHz</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Perhaps, it is Audigy2, 24 bit, 192 kHz.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>aluma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>There are many possibilities, for example, by recording a pure sinusodal signal from a generator with a frequency of 1 kHz and measuring the distortion when it is played back in different versions of the system, we can objectively evaluate the comparison of alsa vs pipeware vs pulseaudio. Or various resamplers.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>It seems that your experiments can be simplified and made more exact.<br />All sorts of sinusoidal signals can be easily created with Audacity (with mathematical exactitude).</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>sudo apt install audacity </code></pre></div><p>Audacity → Generate → Tone → select frequency and amplitude</p><p>You can also change resolution:</p><p>Audacity → Edit → Preferences → Quality → &quot;Default Sample Rate&quot; and &quot;Default Sample Format&quot;</p><p>Then you may try to measure the distortions in playback. It might be very interesting.</p><p>But you may better start a new topic for this.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2024 13:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it was not a scientific experiment, and it was not intended.<br />The fft resampler was tested several years. Then it was replaced with dct in an OSS4 plugin.<br />One user noticed the difference and began to complain about the sound quality and some unwanted effects, such as &quot;fatigue&quot;.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 22:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>it was detected by <strong>an</strong> OSS4/Gentoo user in a &quot;blind test&quot;</p></div></blockquote></div><p> (emphasis mine) <em>One</em> anecdotal sample is barely a &quot;test&quot; at all, and not even remotely scientific. <br />Then you go on to claim that blind tests have problems, because the usual &quot;bit-perfect&quot; &quot;exclusive mode&quot; audiophool nonsense. <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /></p><p>As for &quot;old theory&quot;, I&#039;ve been there, done that, (as well as built and tested plenty of proper HiFi gear) so I&#039;m no longer gullible enough to get sucked into such arguments... I&#039;m out of here, have fun.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 21:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a blind test might be very useful, but the problem is that you may not know what you are actually testing.</p><p>If, for example. a sound system performs resampling and format conversions in software, you may not know what you are actually playing with your DAC, or soundcard. That is why, perhaps, some users want to know how to enable &quot;exclusive mode&quot;.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>steve_v wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Trivial differences in resampling are irrelevant, and unless you are doing digital mastering, so are bit depths &gt;16 and sampling rates significantly above the Nyquist limit. Fight me.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Although the difference between Petrov&#039;s dct and fft seems insignificant, I would strongly recommend to use fft instead of dct (default). The reason is the results of an unintended blind test with OSS4 users.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The real test is if you can tell which system is which in a blind test. If you have two systems, one cheap and one top quality, set up with a switch to control which one feeds the speakers, can you tell which switch setting is which system?</p><p>To be really thorough try it several times, with a friend changing which one is which. And a few control runs where both switch settings get the same system.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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