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Re: [SOLVED] Why is seatd a hard dependency?

dummy@example.com (jacksprat) — Thu, 02 May 2024 07:27:00 +0000

Hello @ralph.ronnquist. Quick answer is I don't know. Void Linux is not derived from any other distro, and so goes back to the originating sources [X.org?]. I will have to ask the Void people if anyone has used "seatd"; they tend to like display managers instead like "lightdm".

update: I see Void has Runit "sv" services configured so that I can "just" enable the "seatd" service. I still don't understand how seatd will find out that startx needs it. All will be revealed?

Re: [SOLVED] Why is seatd a hard dependency?

dummy@example.com (ralph.ronnquist) — Wed, 01 May 2024 21:32:10 +0000

Does Void Linux use Devuan's Xorg (i.e. from xserver-xorg-core package)?

That is the variant that includes using seatd rather than logind+dbus to mediate input device access, and it is forked by Devuan for that purpose. The forked version also allows a system setup where the UID/GID running Xorg has file mode access to the input device nodes, in which case it also has the option to spawn a seatd sub process for input device access mediation.

The Debian (non-forked) variant offers only input mediation via logind (over dbus). Though quite possibly Void Linux have their own Xorg variant of course.

Re: [SOLVED] Why is seatd a hard dependency?

dummy@example.com (jacksprat) — Wed, 01 May 2024 13:58:46 +0000

@fsmithred: thanks, "soren" has convinced me that I really want seatd, as it seems to allow Xorg to remain with uid=1000, before and after "startx". I must now go back to Void Linux and see if "seatd" can achieve this there.

Re: [SOLVED] Why is seatd a hard dependency?

dummy@example.com (jacksprat) — Wed, 01 May 2024 13:53:26 +0000

@soren: thanks for the reply. As I don't have a DM, After console login, i type "startx". There is no elogind. I do not knowingly run "startx" as root, and "ps -el | grep Xorg" shows that it is running as "me" and not root. Maybe "seatd" is doing this silently. I will have to explore what is happening here.

On Void Linux, I run "startx" as "me", but I see that Xorg runs with uid=0; not good. Interestiingly. Void does not have seatd, Consolekit2, elogind or anything similar.

Re: [SOLVED] Why is seatd a hard dependency?

dummy@example.com (soren) — Wed, 01 May 2024 10:18:42 +0000

If there is package i would keep around it would be seatd over elogind. Seatd makes it possible to run graphics/input as a non root user. How do you login to openbox, using startx? The old way of starting x without a login manager or elogind was running X as root afaik?

Edit: more info here: https://sr.ht/~kennylevinsen/seatd/

Re: [SOLVED] Why is seatd a hard dependency?

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Wed, 01 May 2024 10:17:33 +0000

Is it also trying to remove libseat1 when it removes seatd? When I try to remove libseat1, it wants to remove xorg. I can't try to remove seatd because it's not installed. Maybe you could apt install libseat1 to set it to manually installed so it doesn't get removed with seatd.

[SOLVED] Why is seatd a hard dependency?

dummy@example.com (jacksprat) — Wed, 01 May 2024 09:18:28 +0000

I was removing packages that I didn't want on my Devuan 5 laptop [aim = frugal system]. As I could not see any reason for keeping the "seatd" package [no Display Manager, just Openbox], I tried to remove it. When I tried this, "apt-get remove seatd" wanted to remove Xorg and many others that were important for my system. Why is Seatd such a hard dependency in Devuan? Thanks.