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			<description><![CDATA[<p>regarding post number 11 in this thread.</p><p>i can no longer recommend PartedMagic after discovering multiple reports of very poor customer service.</p><p>see these links for just a few such instances:</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8k61r6/partedmagic_anyone_else_still_using_it_any/" rel="nofollow"> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8k61r6/partedmagic_anyone_else_still_using_it_any/</a></p><p><a href="https://www.trustpilot.com/review/partedmagic.com" rel="nofollow"> https://www.trustpilot.com/review/partedmagic.com</a></p><p>edited: added more content</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2024 15:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello:</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>czeekaj wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Disable os-prober before you do any upgrading.<br />It&#039;s been default disabled.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I <em>think</em> <span class="bbc">grub-customizer</span> probably uses it.<br />But I have not used that application in more a good long while, when I had another HDD with another version to test.</p><p>That said, when/if upgrading, the idea is to clone the system drive, set the box to boot from the clone and only <em>then</em> do any upgrade.<br />Then, <em>if</em> there are no issues, make an image of that drive to restore back to the system drive.</p><p>As this is a BIOS boot (no UEFI stuff) box, any other OS boot issues generated by the OS-prober can be easily fixed there. </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>czeekaj wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>... update critical packages first ...</p></div></blockquote></div><p>If I decide to continue with attempting this upgrade, the system drive will be fully updated and cleaned of left over cruft/orphans <em>before</em> cloning it.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>czeekaj wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>... make sure you have an up to date keyring ...</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Thanks for reminding me.<br />Seems it was up to date because during the experiment (see part II, link below) there were no warnings in the terminal printout.</p><p>And I accepted all the default options when given the choice. <br />Not sure that was a good thing as I once had a severe problem with the default Devuan MTA, <span class="bbc">Exim4</span> by doing just that.<br />ie: accept default suggestions when updating/upgrading.&#160; </p><p>TL;DR: I removed/purged it and in its place installed a lightweight and much better maintained one called <span class="bbc">procmail</span>.<br />After all, I was only needing a <em>local</em> MTA, nothing too elaborate.</p><p>Just works and in three years&#039; use it has never given me any grief, to the extent that I had to actually look up the package name.&#160; 8^°</p><p>Thanks for your input.</p><p>Best,</p><p>A.</p><p><span class="bbu">Note:</span> I will mark this as SOLVED to this thread will continue in part II <a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6480" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Altoid)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>If you do upgrade from beowulf to chimaera. Disable os-prober before you do any upgrading. It&#039;s been default disabled. </p><p>Also I&#039;d update critical packages first before just doing a mass upgrade. You can start with backported stuff first is a good idea to help make the transition smoother. </p><p>You&#039;re also going to want to make sure you have an up to date keyring there was a point when you had to manually install it when upgrading from beowulf.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2024 03:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello:</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>A4f wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>... have posted information about some efficient methods here ...</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Thank you very much.<br />I&#039;ll have a look at all that.</p><p>Best,</p><p>A.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Altoid)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2024 23:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@golinux<br />Thank you, codeberg worked right away.</p><p>@Altoid<br />To come back to system backup / restore / cloning, I have posted information about some efficient methods here:<br /><a href="https://codeberg.org/Andre4freedom/Devuan-Dev1galaxy-Contributions/src/branch/main/SomeBackupMethods-v3.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://codeberg.org/Andre4freedom/Devu … ods-v3.pdf</a></p><p>Oh, BTW: if you find issues in this textual information, please let me know! Thanks!</p><p>I hope it works and helps!<br />Have a good weekend!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2024 16:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@Andre4freedom . . . I don&#039;t mess much with git admin any more so can&#039;t help you with that. Maybe try Codeberg <a href="https://codeberg.org/" rel="nofollow">https://codeberg.org/</a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (golinux)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2024 15:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@golinux</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>You can create an account at our git.devuan.org and post your document there then link to it as appropriate . . .</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I tried several times, and could never get the password setting/confirmation/forgot-password-recovery thing working....<br />I give up with git. (<a href="https://git.devuan.org/" rel="nofollow">https://git.devuan.org/</a>)<br />I have the &quot;neutralized&quot; document about disk-cloning for any system ready and can send it wherever you wish. Possibly for review, discarding if worthless, editing if somebody wishes so.. Just to be sure: the procedure was used professionally to deploy courses and also for migration and test-scenarios.<br />Sincerely, Andre4freedom</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2024 08:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah . . . importing a profile is easy. The hard part is cleaning up the outdated and redundant files. Then there&#039;s about:config! Yikes!!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2024 17:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Adapting FF and other browser profiles took days even weeks as did adapting to the new interfaces and options.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I once had the same problem. </p><p>Right now I&#039;m just copying the .mozilla folder. Everything is OK with access rights, if on another computer, then via a USB flash drive with fat32, and if in the shared /home directory between users, then they can view each other’s directories.</p><p>Then sometimes you need to select a profile if FF has chosen a new one, and sometimes it loads the required one itself, I delete unnecessary profiles.</p><p>The same procedure applies to Thunderbird.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (aluma)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2024 17:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I stayed on Jessie for a looong time. Then websites stopped working properly both the layouts as well as interactive functions. That is what forced a move to fresh Chimaera install and it was a royal pain. Adapting FF and other browser profiles took days even weeks as did adapting to the new interfaces and options.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (golinux)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2024 16:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello:</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>pcalvert wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>... only way to be sure is to send it.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Always done that.<br />I started with Devuan <span class="bbc">Jesse</span> in this box and from then on up to <span class="bbc">Beowulf</span> (now with a backported kernel) was like that. <br />I opted out of <span class="bbc">Chimaera</span> because of <span class="bbc">WiCD</span> and <span class="bbc">SLiM</span>, this last one having been revived.</p><p>But the &#039;Debian Way&#039; ® is not what it was, between the bloat, the infamous <span class="bbc">usr/merge</span> and who knows what else is lurking around there, I am rather wary.<br />Who knows what <em>sending it</em> may bring about.</p><p>I will probably clone my system 120Gb SSD drive to an empty 300Gb SAS I have in the slots.<br />Boot from there and see what happens when I <em>send it</em> and reboot.<br />Cannot wait to see my <span class="bbc">dmesg</span> printout. 8^D </p><p>That said, I have noticed that what I see as the most important part of my screed has not gathered the much attention.<br />ie: </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>altoid wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Seeing that my hardware has not changed significantly since I first installed Devuan Jesse ca. 2017 and will most probably not change in the coming years, is a dist-upgrade necessary? This is not a file-server exposed to the web.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Thanks a lot for your input.</p><p>Best,</p><p>A.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Altoid)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2024 15:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>What&#039;s wrong with rsync -avh source destination (?)</p><p>wicd is not available with chimeara, but it is with beowulf (and ascii).</p><p>I think the other main change (for me) was su is changed to su -</p><p>Chimeara has Songwrite... and sysinit orphan startup scripts...</p><p>my 2 cents worth.</p><p>regards Glenn</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (GlennW)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2024 14:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>... prefer to use Clonezilla.<br />Refracta is a good choice for this.<br />... also make a second backup using FSArchiver.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Right.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>pcalvert wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>... separate additional backups of /etc and /home ...</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Yes, <span class="bbc">BackInTime</span> takes care of my <span class="bbc">/home</span> directory and <span class="bbc">Timeshift</span> takes care of <span class="bbc">/etc</span> so that is covered.</p><p>re: <span class="bbc">gnome-disk-utility</span><br />I had my doubts which is why I asked.<br />Seeing that no one among 400+ visits answered with a clearly pronounced yes I won&#039;t be using it.</p><p>Thanks for your input.</p><p>Best,</p><p>A.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Altoid)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2024 09:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>To use Clonezilla, you would need to boot to a live CD/DVD/USB system that (preferably) comes with Clonezilla.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Or just use clonezilla live, which is lightweight, Debian-based (though that also means systemd, unfortunately), and allows for things like easy creation of bare-metal recovery media.</p><p>On the OP... The only way to be sure is to send it. Personally I have machines that have been dist-upgraded all the way from Lenny, and while there are always things to attend to they are usually pretty minor and far less trouble than a fresh install - especially if you avoid leaving it until you are multiple releases behind stable.</p><p>Either way, if you don&#039;t like the result you just restore your backup (or swap drives if you go for a live clone). No harm, no foul.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (steve_v)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 07:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Altoid wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>If I were to go ahead, I will need to make a foolproof image of my system drive, a Kingston 120Gb SSD.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Although there are a number of ways to accomplish this, I prefer to use <span class="bbu">Clonezilla</span>. To use Clonezilla, you would need to boot to a live CD/DVD/USB system that (preferably) comes with Clonezilla. Refracta is a good choice for this. For good measure, you could also make a second backup using <span class="bbu">FSArchiver</span>.</p><p>It would also be prudent to make separate additional backups of <strong>/etc</strong> and <strong>/home</strong> using an archiver utility like <em>tar</em>.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Altoid wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Is disks ie: gnome-disk-utility 3.30.2 up to the task?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>No.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2024 19:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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