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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Also hit a bug when rebuilding kernels (several weeks) after the i386 -&gt; x86_64 migration:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>/usr/src/linux/tools/objtool//fixdep: Exec format error</code></pre></div><p><span class="bbc">/usr/src/linux/tools/objtool/fixdep</span> which was in the kernel tree and had been built for i386 didn&#039;t get rebuilt for x86_64, even after a <span class="bbc">make clean</span></p><p>I had to manually remove the fixdep binary and it was rebuilt for x86_64 on the next kernel build.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2025 13:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have completely removed the i386 architecture from the machine that I upgraded to amd64 - it wasn&#039;t easy and it took a long time (nearly 3 weeks), mainly as I was using Ceres and couldn&#039;t use the <span class="bbc">crossgrader</span> package for some of the process and had to obtain amd64 packages at the same version as i386 using <span class="bbc">debsnap&#160; -d . -a amd64 package-name package-version-number</span> from package <span class="bbc">devscripts</span> to obtain most of the packages from <a href="https://snapshot.debian.org" rel="nofollow">https://snapshot.debian.org</a> .</p><p>For Devuan-specific packages, I used <a href="https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html" rel="nofollow">https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html</a>, and in one case had to build the version of <span class="bbc">avahi</span> packages that I needed from source at <a href="https://git.devuan.org/explore/repos" rel="nofollow">https://git.devuan.org/explore/repos</a> searching for the package, then selecting &quot;tags&quot; and downloading the appropriate version of the tar.gz file and <span class="bbc">apt-get build-dep avahi</span> and <span class="bbc">debuild -b</span>, also from <span class="bbc">devscripts</span> to build a package with the same version number.</p><p>I had already started the process of cross-grading using the information at <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading</a> and was getting bogged down. One of the linked references, <a href="https://anarc.at/services/upgrades/cross-architecture/" rel="nofollow">https://anarc.at/services/upgrades/cross-architecture/</a> was more helpful given my situation.</p><p> Having installed enough important amd64 architecture packages under i386 architecture and being able to boot into amd64 architecture was a start, but <span class="bbc">aptitude</span> doesn&#039;t have the capability to easily add packages in a new architecture at the same version as in the old architecture, and <span class="bbc">dpkg</span>, even after obtaining all the amd64 packages and first installing library packages then everything else, took multiple passes of manually installing packages, getting dependencies matched, and running <span class="bbc">dpkg --configure -a</span>.</p><p>I then had a frozen mouse pointer at the desktop manager login screen when running the boot disk I had upgraded from i386 to amd64, whereas an exiting installation of Devuan/amd64 on the same hardware had no such problem.</p><p>The cause was a previously commented out autotune script in the <span class="bbc">powertop</span> package that must have been re-enabled in the i386 to amd64 upgrade process, and I even found my old Debian bug report about it from over three years ago. Removing the <span class="bbc">powertop</span> package was the simplest fix.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2025 11:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I&#039;m attempting a crossgrade from i386 to amd64.</p><p>I&#039;ve been at it for weeks based on a few guides, then someone in irc mentioned the <span class="bbc">crossgrader</span> package.</p><p>I&#039;ve hit a couple of issues with the <span class="bbc">crossgrader</span> program and reported them to the maintainer.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@fsmithred, thanks for your continuing efforts! much appreciated.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2025 07:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Perfect! Thanks, I forgot about snapshot.debian.org.</p><p>I got linux-image, linux-headers and linux-source for 6.10.9-1 696-pae.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (fsmithred)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 22:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>fsmithred wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>The 32-bit kernels in excalibur and ceres have been removed. Did anyone happen to save the last deb packages for 686-pae?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>This website is likely to be very useful: <a href="https://snapshot.debian.org/" rel="nofollow"> https://snapshot.debian.org/</a></p><p>It appears that some very recent packages can be found here:<br /><a href="https://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-security/20250101T021323Z/pool/updates/main/l/linux-6.1/" rel="nofollow"> https://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-security/20250101T021323Z/pool/updates/main/l/linux-6.1/</a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (pcalvert)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 17:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The 32-bit kernels in excalibur and ceres have been removed. Did anyone happen to save the last deb packages for 686-pae? The last live-iso I made has 6.5 from last April. Not that using those versions is a real solution since they won&#039;t get security updates. But it would be nice to have an iso with the last one.</p><p>Meanwhile, I&#039;ve made an excalibur 32-bit live-iso with the daedalus backports kernel. That&#039;s another unsatisfactory solution for the same and other reasons, but it does work.</p><p>N.B. When trying to upgrade my i386 excalibur VM, aptitude puked on the t64 versions of packages. &#039;apt upgrade&#039; and &#039;apt dist-upgrade&#039; worked ok and all the t64 packages got installed.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 15:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Threads in Off-Topic have a topic.<br />Except for just being destructive, I see no reason to torpedo thread&#039;s topics here.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (yeti)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 13:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@yeti and all, we are already in the &quot;off-topic&quot; area and discussing &quot;architecture(s)&quot; IS what we are already doing.</p><p>so i see no reason not to cross-post(yeti-again, pun intended!):</p><p><a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=53863#p53863" rel="nofollow"> https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=53863#p53863</a></p><p><a href="https://archive.fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/rv_selfhosting_all_the_way_down/" rel="nofollow"> https://archive.fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/rv_selfhosting_all_the_way_down/</a></p><p>we/us users/developers/engineers/etc. are all in this together and as long as there are people willing AND hardware available...and the two have access to each other(physical people AND physical hardware, no qemu please) then we will continue to see some antique architecture software availability.</p><p>wonder what architecture and operating system Voyager is using?</p><p><a href="https://science.slashdot.org/story/24/12/21/0612239/voyager-1-signals-from-interstellar-space-detected-by-amateur-astronomers-on-1950s-telescope" rel="nofollow"> https://science.slashdot.org/story/24/12/21/0612239/voyager-1-signals-from-interstellar-space-detected-by-amateur-astronomers-on-1950s-telescope</a></p><p>amazing.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 13:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>This is what I&#039;m waiting for:<br /><a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=53863#p53863" rel="nofollow">https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=53863#p53863</a></p><p>... but this is still derailing the topic of this thread (as is the RISC-V glitch), so answers to this please in its own threads.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (yeti)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 13:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Just need to get a bucketload of money from somewhere and we&#039;re good to go...</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (blackhole)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 13:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>have been watching risc-v with interest for several years now.</p><p>these boards ship with ubuntu pre-installed(i know...ugh)</p><p><a href="https://www.sifive.com/boards/hifive-premier-p550" rel="nofollow">https://www.sifive.com/boards/hifive-premier-p550</a></p></div></blockquote></div><p>OK: We just switch to RISC-V and forget about i386.</p><h5>=&gt; SOLVED!</h5><p><span class="bbc"> \o/ ___( THANKS! ) </span></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (yeti)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 12:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>have been watching risc-v with interest for several years now.</p><p>these boards ship with ubuntu pre-installed(i know...ugh)</p><p><a href="https://www.sifive.com/boards/hifive-premier-p550" rel="nofollow"> https://www.sifive.com/boards/hifive-premier-p550</a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 12:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The problem with this older amd64 hardware is the perceived security flaws in those chips. This is all marketing strategy - MS are happy if Linux or the BSDs are perceived as something you install on old junk, so there is no incentive for them to take any interest in killing i386 - you can squarely blame the Debian project / lack of maintainers for that.</p><p>The next generation of &quot;old junk&quot; is the 64 bit hardware which is vulnerable to spectre/meltdown which MS intentionally ended support for with Windows 11. Again MS won&#039;t have too many problems with Linux and BSDs being installed on that - but they also know that many users will get Windows 11 installed on that &quot;unsupported&quot; hardware regardless. This is the same mindset, as &quot;at least they&#039;re running Windows&quot;. See &quot;security theatre&quot; for what it is.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 08:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand: Offering i386-install-iso&#039;s makes people install linux on scrap computers. And then it sucks ... .</p><p>Personally, I bought my last 32-bit-x86-computer in 1999 (0.5 GHz Intel Pentium with 0.4 GB RAM). Probably it would still work, but it&#039;s gone.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2025 21:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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