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			<description><![CDATA[<p>To authoritatively answer UnixMan1230&#039;s <span class="bbu"><a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=45875#p45875" rel="nofollow">question above</a></span>:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>&lt;golinux&gt; Question about the &quot;banned packages list&quot;. Are they banned because there are insurmountable entanglements and they CAN&#039;T be forked or because they aren&#039;t worth the effort.<br />&lt;golinux&gt; IOW is the metric technical or judgmental . . .<br />&lt;LeePen&gt; golinux: which banned list are you asking about?<br />&lt;golinux&gt; LeePen: <a href="https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt" rel="nofollow">https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt</a><br />&lt;golinux&gt; I didn&#039;t know that there was more than one list . . .<br />&lt;LeePen&gt; The actual banned list is just &#039;systemd, systemd-sysv, file-rc, reportbug-ng&#039;<br />&lt;LeePen&gt; The list that you refer to is produced by amprolla as it recursively excludes anything else that has those as a dependency.<br />&lt;LeePen&gt; Or as a result of the source being forked already.<br />&lt;LeePen&gt; The item in [] after the package explains why it is banned.<br />&lt;LeePen&gt; e.g apticron-systemd.[systemd]<br />&lt;LeePen&gt; or bsdextrautils.[d1src:util-linux]<br />&lt;LeePen&gt; Actually reportbug-ng and file-rc have disappeared from Debian, so the basic banned list is just systemd and systemd-sysv.<br />&lt;LeePen&gt; Everything else follows as a consequence.<br />&lt;LeePen&gt; So, technical.<br />&lt;golinux&gt; So a hard dependency on &#039;systemd, systemd-sysv&#039; is the reason?<br />&lt;LeePen&gt; Yes, either directly or indirectly.</p></div></blockquote></div>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2023 16:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>steve_v wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><div class="quotebox"><cite>zapper wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>the channels mentaloutlaw and lukesmith on youtube.</p><p>If you want to find someone who is trustworthy for linux info, never trust a far right nutcase like him.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Except Luke actually includes technical, educational content in some of his videos, where the aforementioned Brodie has silly faces, hype, and clickbait.<br />I&#039;ll take a &#039;tuber with intense (but ultimately irrelevant) political leanings who knows what they&#039;re talking about over a politically &quot;correct&quot; one who doesn&#039;t any day of the week.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Ive learnt quite a bit from Luke, only just found out about mental outlaw. Im not aware of there political leanings nor do i care either.<br />Another tuber ive learnt quite a bit from is Gavin Freeborn, really good no nonsense content.<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@GavinFreeborn" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/@GavinFreeborn</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2023 07:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>UnixMan1230 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Don&#039;t forget <a href="http://deb.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt" rel="nofollow">http://deb.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt</a> , so people have a sense of what packages might be worth making compatibility packages/patches for</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I have always assumed that it was not possible to fork those banned packages for technical dependency reasons . . .</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2023 05:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>aluma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>“Are you for the computer or is it for you?”</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Or, &quot;Is this a hobby or a tool?&quot;. Either is a completly reasonable approach, and there are far worse things one could spend free time on than tinkering.<br />Most of my computers are workhorses, others are, well, more like pets. Same goes for my vehicles TBH, and electronic test equipment... <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2023 05:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>steve_v wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><div class="quotebox"><cite>Esleep wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Using computers is like being in a relationship with someone else[snip]</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Please, smash that ChatGPT prompt some more, we all love irrelevant nonsense. <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /></p></div></blockquote></div><p>Yeah, ChatGPT, but there is some truth in that.</p><p>Once upon a time I diligently updated, configured, compiled, then I realized that instead of using the computer for its intended purpose, running application programs, I was doing its maintenance.<br />&#160; <br />He gave up this occupation and has since looked after himself and I work for him.<br />Sometimes, reading forums, I want to tell my colleagues, decide for yourself-“Are you for the computer or is it for you?” <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2023 05:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>I watch videos to learn something, not get outraged about how left/right/upside-down the presenter is.<br />This obsession with putting people in little &quot;political affiliation&quot; boxes and discarding information from outgroups is extremely tiring, and I&#039;ll have no part of it.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I mostly get annoyed by him because he uses made up concepts like BASED which means absolutely nothing of value and his stupid pictures that mean nothing of value as well.</p><p>But that being said,</p><p>I am at least glad to hear he does something of value.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2023 05:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>golinux wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p> Anyone seriously interested in engaging with Devuan should monitor those sources. It is that simple.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Don&#039;t forget <a href="http://deb.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt" rel="nofollow">http://deb.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt</a> , so people have a sense of what packages might be worth making compatibility packages/patches for</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2023 04:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>zapper wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>the channels mentaloutlaw and lukesmith on youtube.</p><p>If you want to find someone who is trustworthy for linux info, never trust a far right nutcase like him.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Except Luke actually includes technical, educational content in some of his videos, where the aforementioned Brodie has silly faces, hype, and clickbait.<br />I&#039;ll take a &#039;tuber with intense (but ultimately irrelevant) political leanings who knows what they&#039;re talking about over a politically &quot;correct&quot; one who doesn&#039;t any day of the week.</p><p>Why you &#039;muricans think your political infighting is everyone else&#039;s problem (and feel the need to inject it into Every. Single. Discussion.) I will never understand. I watch videos to learn something, not get outraged about how left/right/upside-down the presenter is.<br />This obsession with putting people in little &quot;political affiliation&quot; boxes and discarding information from outgroups is extremely tiring, and I&#039;ll have no part of it.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Esleep wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Using computers is like being in a relationship with someone else[snip]</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Please, smash that ChatGPT prompt some more, we all love irrelevant nonsense. <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (steve_v)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2023 02:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>The-Amnesiac-Philosopher wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>OFF TOPIC: S<br />cough cough...<del>Distro Boob</del>...I mean Distro Tube.</p><p>cough cough...<del>Chris Titus Toes</del>...I mean Chris Titus Tech.</p><p>Et al...</p><p><img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p></div></blockquote></div><p>DISTROBOOB! LOL! That is so awful, but this isn&#039;t the joke thread. <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p><p>Although, that would be more relevant for the dude who has the channels mentaloutlaw and lukesmith on youtube.</p><p>If you want to find someone who is trustworthy for linux info, never trust a far right nutcase like him.</p><p><img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2023 22:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Using computers is like being in a relationship with someone else</p><p>When we are very young, we feel very attached emotionally and are sensitive to </p><p>what we appreciate are interactions that are interdependent.</p><p>Then when we mature emotionally and intellectually, we can possibly find out</p><p>that instead of building relationships based on interdependency we can be </p><p>independent of each other, and thereby fostering a more healthy relationship</p><p>regardless of changes outside of our control in reality.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2023 22:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>OFF TOPIC: Sorry...I wish I could sound wise and add something of interest to the topic. However...</p><p>...this is a personal preference; I stopped watching him (<del>Brodie Clobbers-some</del>...I mean Brodie Robertson) when he started putting goofy faces on his thumbnails. I could put up with the thought of his arm/hand movements slapping me in the face if I were talking to him, but those goofy faces??? No thank you.</p><p>cough cough...<del>Distro Boob</del>...I mean Distro Tube.</p><p>cough cough...<del>Chris Titus Toes</del>...I mean Chris Titus Tech.</p><p>Et al...</p><p><img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (The-Amnesiac-Philosopher)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2023 12:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>TBH I generally find his channel to be more overexcited SNS clickbait than I&#039;ll tolerate, but this is the first time I&#039;ve managed to trigger the &quot;desktop linux&quot; fanbois hard enough to get a post read on youtube... At least there&#039;s plenty of &quot;discussion&quot; in the comments, so win? I guess? <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p><p>Colour of the error screen? Who cares.<br />That it&#039;s clearly copied from Windows? Cringe and worth a laugh, but ultimately irrelevant.<br />Replacing a full page (or more, while console scrollback was still a thing) of information with &quot;the last error&quot; and a QR code? Dumb. Just dumb. Shall we add a sad face emoticon as well?<br />Overlaying the GUI or dropping to a console? Sure, now do it while using the full screen for debug output and without the QR code nonsense.<br />Systemd contributors needing an explanation of &quot;archaic&quot; VT code and text interfaces before X/Wayland &quot;takes over&quot;... Deeply concerning. This is an init system and low-level utilities we&#039;re talking about here, anyone hacking on it should be well familiar with those things.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2023 11:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Brodie swings his arms/hands around so much while he&#039;s talking...I&#039;d be a bit hesitant to be in a one-on-one conversation with him. That dude would slap the sh*t out of me...</p><p><img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (The-Amnesiac-Philosopher)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2023 10:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I made on the &#039;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXZbyLRjIew" rel="nofollow">tube</a>, LOL. Needless to say, he largely misses the point. <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /><br />I.e. in what way this fullscreen QR code with &quot;the last error message&quot; (i.e. 99% of the time not the whole story) is better than a kernel panic and/or stack trace, both of which we already have, beyond being supposedly &quot;more accessible&quot; for non technical users. (AKA the aforementioned dumbing-down of interfaces).</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2023 09:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Now I am curious what REXTON said that was so vile...</p><p>very strange.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2023 02:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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