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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can anyone fill me in on why and how exactly systemd took over Linux?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Where do I delete my account? I don&#039;t see any option for that under &#039;Profile&#039;. Is there somewhere else, or does an Administrator have to do it, or is it simply not an option here?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2023 03:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can anyone fill me in on why and how exactly systemd took over Linux?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>ralph.ronnquist wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Nah. If you want to spout that shit you&#039;ll have to go elsewhere.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Post what shit, exactly?</p><p>Ok, so this is yet another heavily left leaning forum that tolerates any and all left leaning opinions, but people who lean the other way are told &quot;nah, if you want to post that shit you&#039;ll have to go elsewhere&quot;.</p><p>I think I got it. Thanks for clarifying, and so long.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2023 03:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Nah. If you want to spout that shit you&#039;ll have to go elsewhere.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2023 03:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Why not just answer my question? What is the position on politics here?</p><p>Because I see one type of politics being posted freely, but no pushback from the other side... which makes me nervous, because I am on that other side, to be perfectly honest.</p><p>I don&#039;t like places where one type of political viewpoint is tolerated as being just &quot;whimsical&quot; and common sense, whereas other types of opinion are treated as being &quot;political&quot; and (usually, I find) used to push those people out. Subtly or not so subtly.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2023 03:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@neilgunton . . . My comment was related to execution rather than content as it was rather structured analysis that didn&#039;t get sidetracked. zapper can often be whimsical and a bit silly too. He is like family. </p><p>As to your question . . . This forum does have a search function. <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>You might also want to look at <span class="bbu"><a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=17" rel="nofollow">The dev1galaxy.org (almost) No Code of Conduct</a></span>.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (golinux)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2023 03:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>So, is this one of those places where it&#039;s ok to post certain types of political opinion, but not ok to post others?</p><p>I see an Administrator praising a very political post (at least, political to those of us who don&#039;t want to buy into the climate change narrative).</p><p>The same post has a very political signature, which seems ok.</p><p>What would the position be if I were to talk about all the things that I believe in, that seem to be (I&#039;m guessing) kind of the opposite of what zapper seems to believe? Would I be chased off the forum, or ignored, or what?</p><p>I&#039;m just curious, because I&#039;ve been burned before by thinking I&#039;m in a place where I can speak freely, and then I find out that only certain people with certain opinions can actually do that.</p><p>What if I support Donald Trump? What if I think anthropogenic climate change is a bunch of horseshit? What if I think Black Lives Matters is a corrupt movement made solely to produce racial division and polarization? Do I get to express those opinions too, or would that be &quot;political&quot;?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (neilgunton)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2023 03:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>@zapper . . . that has to be one of your best posts ever!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2023 02:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The systemd situation makes me think of the climate situation in the world...&#160; in&#160; two way at least, it is very similar:</p><p>1: Just keep wasting resources willy nilly and when people complain about very real problems that are occuring, explain it away, do whatever it takes to get in the way of progress to be able to continue to waste resources as much as you want while the looming threat keeps getting bigger and bigger till even the most powerful people can&#039;t fight against it.</p><p>2:&#160; It isn&#039;t about anything but greed.</p><p>It seems like people are very inherently opposed to not allowing the most powerful humans on the planet waste the planet&#039;s resources or electricity, etc... </p><p>Basically anything goes... type of bs.&#160; </p><p>Like really? </p><p>Systemd like other redhat projects is a bloated hot mess. The more code there is to audit and check, the harder it is to find the bugs before they cause trouble.</p><p>What ninny thinks 1 million lines of code is needed for a protocol that&#039;s main job is to initialize the system?</p><p>A special type of ninny honestly...</p><p>a very dangerous one at that as well.</p><p>Might doesn&#039;t make right and yet, give specific people enough power and they will abuse it no matter what.</p><p>Even more so, the more you allow them to abuse it, the more they will seek new even more dreadfully dangerous ways to abuse it.</p><p>The linux kernel people and the gnu people should have both told redhat, F**K off you bully and promptly dropped their services regardless of what the head business yahoos wanted. Aka, people affiliated with redhat who believed the foolishness they were spouting.</p><p>This world&#039;s reality is not supposed to be controlled by narcissists or megalomaniacs or a-holes yet here we are.</p><p>Meh...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2023 02:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps another factor is that systemd started as an init system and was rather innocuous.&#160; Later it started taking over so much other functionality - DNS, NTP, booting, etc, kinda like the proverbial camel getting its nose in the tent.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2023 02:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#039;ve only been a user of gnu/linux for a few years I can count on one hand. <br />Most of the use started as typical user orientated tasks. With very little knowledge of the inner workings of the system.</p><p>Most of the auditing and configuration of my personal system has been all guess work and very little in the way of knowledge. <br />Access to good documentation and improving knowledge base would be well needed before a &#039;user&#039; can turn into a contributor. </p><p>As such I&#039;ve just been riding on the coat tails of people who have contributed. It&#039;s getting good but, again most I can do is maybe start hosting and doing small things. Maybe stumble into bugs and try to fix any small issues.</p><p>In terms of writing something to automate or make someones life easier is beyond my capabilities at the moment.</p><p>As far as systemd files still in devuan I have manually removed many of them without much issue. <br />I don&#039;t like seeing a systemd socket when I run netstat. <br />I know it&#039;s there for compatibility but I still am confused when running sysV init how this socket opens up by simply having systemd files present.&#160; <br />As far my use goes removing these files has not broken anything.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (czeekaj)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2023 02:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Oh well . . . maybe someone else will wake up to the idea of becoming part of the solution . . .</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (golinux)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2023 19:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I would love to contribute, but I have my plate full at the moment with various things that drain my energy. I&#039;m not by any stretch a &quot;new generation&quot;, lol, I&#039;m mid-50s now and feeling it every day. Been trying to develop a website for the last 23 years, with some success and many failures, both personal and financial. At this point I&#039;m deep in debt and making one last push to try and get my codebase into shape for growing the business into something that can be more self sustaining, or even great (I have ambitions to take on the likes of Facebook, Twitter, even Google, in places where it hurts). The problem is my website is completely supported by voluntary donations, and I am not a good salesman or pitchman for fundraising drives. Hence the debt. Taking care of 10+ neighborhood stray cats who drain both my time and my wallet, only adds to the stress levels. All of which is by way of explaining why, while I would certainly love to contribute, I am fighting to keep my head above water myself at the moment. Once I have built myself a boat to climb into and dry off, then I might have some spare resources to help Devuan. Sorry for the long explanation, just didn&#039;t want you to thing I&#039;m blowing it off. I really would like to help, I&#039;m just honestly stretched to the limit at the moment, in many different respects.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (neilgunton)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2023 19:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>neilgunton wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>How long before they work out ways to exclude Devuan from being able to decouple systemd? I&#039;m sure it&#039;s in the works.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>That may end up depending on how many elves there are in the workshop. Devuan has been a labor of love for many of us but we are a small team that could use more hands on deck. Sadly folks love to USE Devuan but not many donate their time and talent(s) to help create it so the bus factor looms. We need redundancy and a new generation of creatives to keep Devuan on track. Care to dive in?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2023 19:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Camtaf wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Commercial companies want to own Linux, so far we have been able to keep going, &amp; reject them, but for how long we can, I don&#039;t know, so I keep my hand in with the BSDs just in case... <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p></div></blockquote></div><p>This did occur to me too, though I have no experience of that side of the aisle. FreeBSD or OpenBSD? Also I&#039;m sure those cold, calculating minds have contingincy plans for the BSDs.</p><p>Yes, the last few years have made me somewhat jaundiced, not to mention paranoid.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (neilgunton)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Commercial companies want to own Linux, so far we have been able to keep going, &amp; reject them, but for how long we can, I don&#039;t know, so I keep my hand in with the BSDs just in case... <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Camtaf)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2023 18:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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